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Thread: Bad form I say

  1. #11

    Default Anonymous endorsement?

    I enjoy satire as much as the next PT member but I agree with Donna:

    Quote Originally Posted by donna View Post
    Umm not completely transparent - you forgot to sign your name or maybe it's a guessing game....just who is this NZ Prop Guru?
    Whoever this guy/gal is … posting an anonymous endorsement and (do I read it right?) anonymously claiming to be part of the 'NZ Property Gurus' outfit … while trumpeting transparency? It’s got to be a prank, or a spoof, surely?

    We pride ourselves on our transparency and collaboration so think it is reprehensible that someone would be lying just to access a database.

    ...Any way I can only say I am glad that we are able to support speakers in New Zealand and internationally without these issues and we look forward to having Kieran at future events.
    "We?" Is that purporting to be a statement from an official anonymous spokesman? Not exactly reassuring.

    Overall, just not clever enough. FAIL.

    Peter Aranyi
    Blog: www.thePaepae.com
    Peter Aranyi
    Blog: www.ThePaepae.com

  2. #12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xav View Post
    This bit in particular, since you reference it without seeming to object to it:
    "the bit about using religion to gain trust...."

    Well it depends how it's done.

    If it's added to allow the attendees to get to know the speaker or to explain how they think or how they came about to be where they are today then I don't really see the issue.
    Although I don't think that Religion and wealth creation are very ready bedfellows in the arena of better explaining yourself I think they can be mentioned together.

    But if the presenter is using it as an angle to inspire trust or trustworthiness then that's a different story, and this is really subjective to the person who is sitting in the audience.
    But then I think most people can see through this.

    The issue here seems to be if Kieran Trass is the pot calling the kettle black.

    He said in his letter "Trust me… I’m Religious / a Christian / Churchgoer / (fill in the blank) or have some other affiliation which means I’m ethical"

    When he himself has spoken in detail about his beliefs from the stage, centered around Buddhism.

    What's more Kieren said that he had "tried very hard to protect the database members from those promoting questionable products which result in distracting property investors away from their core business of property investing"

    But this is the man who did an event round the country with Phil Jones to promote his mentoring program, the same Phil Jones that was also promoting Tax Liens and Deeds.

  3. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by donna View Post
    Maybe it's just human nature...to seek something in return for... joining Associations, clubs, networks, giving to charity, going to church etc.

    There are very few altruistic people around and we're not likely to find them running businesses, or in politics etc.

    Cheers,

    Donna
    Really???

    Surely the large number of the posters on your site are giving away something for free?

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    Nice post . My only comment would be that personally I don't see any distinction between comments made by the speaker "to allow the attendees to get to know the speaker or to explain how they think or how they came about to be where they are today" and comments made to induce trust on the part of the attendees.

    I think Donna is right. As much as I would like to say otherwise the reality is that I am not yet as altruistically focussed as I would like to be.

    It would be interesting to tally the number of people who promote some manner of business with their posts on Propertytalk (via their signature) and those who don't.

  5. #15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xav View Post
    It would be interesting to tally the number of people who promote some manner of business with their posts on Propertytalk (via their signature) and those who don't.
    I'll drink to that

    SB

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    There is a big difference to conditioning people to gain a sale and simply promoting a business in your signature on PT.

    The signature space appears to be designed to promote your business and people expect it to be there.

    The use of something like religion to engender trust in order to sell you something is immoral in my opinion. It isn't necessarily expected by the recipient and is really done to sucker you in.

    When I owned the Property Investor magazine I had a very clear policy of no promoting business in editorials. If a contributor wanted to promote their business they took out an advert.

    Some may say that this was a ploy to sell more advertising space, but I also had a policy of no paid advertorials because I don't think they are up-front.

    The point I'm trying to make is that promoting yourself isn't bad, but the methods you use can be.
    Andrew King,
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    Andrew King Property Management Services - NZ Property Investors' Federation

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    So you would say then that your against anyone mentioning religion or good deeds as a marketing angle?

    Or doing it yourself then condemning others for doing it?
    Last edited by Perry; 17-08-2010 at 08:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
    The signature space appears to be designed to promote your business and people expect it to be there.
    I disagree. (and) No, I don't.

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    Default So, Some More Satire?

    (Apologies to the artist for mangling the original textual artistry)


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  10. #20

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    Nice work, Perry.
    Yeah, my skin crawls when I hear/read about the 'Trust me, God talks to me ..' parade in the context of 'Have I got a deal for you!'

    Just what God tells these characters is a conversation we've had over in another thread.

    I still think the clue to today's spoof is in the first line...

    Quote Originally Posted by New Zealand Property Guru View Post
    I was today reading an article by fellow guru Kieran Trass called “The Truth Is Out... Don’t Throw Your Pearls To Swine!”
    And I was shocked to think that others in our industry would treat him so!
    Smells fishy to me...

    Of course, there are property seminars and property seminars ... and gurus and "guru's" [sic]... (sigh)...

    Peter Aranyi
    Blog: www.thePaepae.com


 

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