I still think Helen Clark, Winston Peters and the United Nations are all involved somewhere in this cover up.
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Originally posted by FacistExposer View Postlooks like they have you bought and thats fine im just spreading the truth and i dont expect narrow minded fools like yourself to understand or even attempt to look into it but youll see soon enough.
I can't help but think if he had put as much energy and research into something productive, he might be getting somewhere.
So once you expose the facists where will it leave you?
As you were
GLast edited by revdev; 03-10-2008, 01:42 AM.
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I'm with you revdev.
Sure the world may be picking that proverbial "rugby ball" up and running with it, a new game may be emerging and there probably was a whole lot of eye gouging going on in that last scrum but hell..... if you stood there crying out to the ref who had already bolted up the paddock with his whistle in his mouth ready to award a try to the other team.... you loose anyway.
Go tackle those buggers, pick the bal up or kick it, pass if forward or backwards, whatever the game is , Play It!!!
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Originally posted by FacistExposer View PostNo one else here seemed to call others names or mock their ideas, jumper would assimilate quite nicely into george orwells '1984'.....
The conspiracy theorists are nutters and I've often said it.
At least I think I've said it but my memery isn't that great these days...
And I agree with revdev as well - at the end of the day, so what about 9/11 and the conspiracy. What can you do about it?
It's all wasted energy.
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tricky and revdev we should start a movement called the "lets not worry about stuff we can't change" movement..... we can't put those buildings back up so lets move on.
The only things we can really do is vote for the people who might act in our best interest short of becoming vigilanty juedge dredd's .
There are lots of smarter people in the world than me so I say "lets get on with what we have at our finger tips, let's make the most of what we know and lets be prepared to change direction if someone changes the rules, let's also thank people like badger, austro and stevenetwriter for illuminating us to the various shady dealings in the world so that we aren't completely surprised when their predictions come true"
Peace love and mungbeans!
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I really tried to avoid responding to these comments but they illustrate a mentality that has created such a mess in society today I just can't help myself.
Originally posted by tpr2 View Posttricky and revdev we should start a movement called the "lets not worry about stuff we can't change" movement..... we can't put those buildings back up so lets move on.
The only things we can really do is vote for the people who might act in our best interest short of becoming vigilanty juedge dredd's .
There are lots of smarter people in the world than me so I say "lets get on with what we have at our finger tips, let's make the most of what we know and lets be prepared to change direction if someone changes the rules, let's also thank people like badger, austro and stevenetwriter for illuminating us to the various shady dealings in the world so that we aren't completely surprised when their predictions come true"
Peace love and mungbeans!
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."Hey, what about me!!!
The conspiracy theorists are nutters and I've often said it.
At least I think I've said it but my memery isn't that great these days...
And I agree with revdev as well - at the end of the day, so what about 9/11 and the conspiracy. What can you do about it?
It's all wasted energy.
So what's the end game with this? A very good friend of mine has been wrapped up in this line of thinking for years...and he is still running on the spot and probably broke.
I can't help but think if he had put as much energy and research into something productive, he might be getting somewhere.
So once you expose the facists where will it leave you?
As you were
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It is a real concern that many people lack the curiosity, and understanding of basic physics, to examine the most important event of our generation.
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Hi Tony
I appreciate the sentiment however what are you suggesting one does?
Pick up a rifle and rush off to join the troops?
We can be concerned citizens but there is no point entering into a "freeze" mentality.
Fight Flight or Freeze are our deep pschological responses to this sort of thing and freeze will just get your eaten.
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A single observation that a building collapsed in an unexpected fashion, does not support a conspiracy. When you look at the strange construction of the building in question, and consider the stresses it was put under in the preceding hours, there could quite easily be a less dramatic conclusion. Whether a conspiracy exists or not is kind of irrelevant when there is no evidence to support one.
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Originally posted by Jumpin View PostA single observation that a building collapsed in an unexpected fashion, does not support a conspiracy. When you look at the strange construction of the building in question, and consider the stresses it was put under in the preceding hours, there could quite easily be a less dramatic conclusion. Whether a conspiracy exists or not is kind of irrelevant when there is no evidence to support one.
Jumpin, you seem to know a lot about the construction of this building, so please enlighten us all. What type of poor construction allows a few isolated fires to collapse a building at freefall speed (as seen below), into its own footprint? I really want to know so I don't walk into one and have it come down on me. I wonder how the US government was unaware of this weak structure and put the FEMA headquarters, the SEC and the local FBI and CIA headquarters in WTC 7?
From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIbqaybkbWI&NR=1
From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k6GMddY-lQ&feature=related
And why does the Leaseholder Larry Silverstein say they decided to 'Pull' the building? Thats an odd thing to say if the building just fell over after having a few fires in it...
From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100&feature=related
Then a couple of weeks ago a 44 story Hotel in Beijing (similar size to WTC 7) was an inferno (not just isolated fires) for hours and the structure remained intact afterwards with no collapse. (Another building inferno is shown half way through with no collapse)
From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHqRw7lEK5A
Maybe the Chinese have better architects than the Americans... Anyway, I'm sure you have all the answers to these questions Jumpin, so I'll let you reassure me with your response.
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Tony, The building was built over the top of the existing subway and associated construction infrastructure. I am not an architect or engineer, so I am not about to speculate on hours many hows of intense fires within the building would weaken the supporting beams.
You have missed my point however. The interesting questions you raise are just that, - interesting questions - . Until you have proof, your conspiracy theory relies on belief. "Interesting questions" often have interesting answers, but in my experience, they just as often have rather more mundane answers.
Rather than looking for answers, your approach is one of reaching a conclusion first and then trying to make the pieces fit.
First find the proof, then I'll listen.
Best regards
Tim
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If it looks like a Duck and its quacking at me, I'm gonna call it a duck... This building collapse is an obvious controlled demolition for all the reasons already discussed in this thread - I don't see how the evidence could be presented any more clearly.
If you choose to not examine this evidence and apply some critical thinking and basic physical laws, that is a different matter. It's fine if you just don't care why or how it collapsed - most people don't. To say there is no evidence of controlled demolition in this thread however is an overt deception.
As for conspiracy theory - any two people plotting to commit an illegal act are involved in a conspiracy. I have no idea who may have conspired to carry out this demolition, there is only the evidence that it was done. If I get home from work and find my front door bashed in and all my stuff gone, I don't have to be able to name the thieves before I can arrive at the conclusion I have been robbed.
'It is an amazing truth, that most events aren’t properly examined after the fact. Myths are propagated and false interpretations become set in stone. This is because normal people don’t question first impressions. They are superficial in their analysis. That is the way the world works. To question a myth, one has to have a questioning mind. Facts speak truth only to the few.' - Viktor Suvorov
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