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    Default "I presume that it's just a scenario that isn't going to happen," said Dhil Twitford



    The crisis the Housing Minister created

    A report yesterday of a woman, 86, moving because of a 73 percent rent hike illustrates the crisis created by Housing Minister Phil Twyford, Tenancies War spokesman Mike Butler said today.

    This story of a property being sold with the new owner hiking rent from $150 a week to $260 provides evidence of the consequences of Mr Twyford's agenda that he refused to accept – that owners would sell and rents would rise.

    The new owner said that the property needed work to be brought into line with the “healthy homes” standards, which was something he “supported”.

    The new owner phrased his comment as if he had a choice, Mr Butler said.

    In fact, rental property owners have no choice. They either comply with the standards that were imposed by regulation and include penalties of up to $200,000 for non-compliance, or sell, he said.

    The out-going tenant did not say whether or not her flat was cold and damp, as the Minister alleged all rental properties were. Her only objection was the rent hike, Mr Butler said.

    The property looks like a 1970s construction which may already comply with the 1978 insulation standard which achieves the greatest heat-loss prevention, he said.

    The main justification for Mr Twyford's standards was to prevent the hospitalisation each year of 6000 children for housing-sensitive illnesses.

    As a one-bedroom flat, the flat under discussion would be unsuitable for children; this illustrates the short-sightedness of setting requirements for 588,700 properties for the supposed benefit of 6000, Mr Butler said.

    Mr Twyford has created a new housing crisis and now both owners and tenants are paying the price, Mr Butler said.

    Stop the War on Tenancies is a group that since last October has been highlighting the evidence that successive governments have ignored while creating rental property policy.


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    Yea, you do need to manage change with delicacy and style.

    Look at cars for example, everyone accepts that unsafe cars get taken off the roads and shouldn't pass a WOF.

    But I doubt a model T ford would pass current safety standards.

    Some houses are that old.

    Just laying down a law without having a realistic plan of how it will be done is almost as irresponsible as letting the state of the housing stock fall into such disrepair.

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    Exceptions for older vehicles

    If your vehicle was manufactured before 1990 it may be excluded from many of the standards requirements.

    However, your vehicle must still meet the general safety requirements in the Land Transport Rules,

    and it must have at least front seat passenger safety belts if manufactured after 1955.


    https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/ve...the-standards/

    ie model T would need to be as safe now as it was when it was built, brakes, steering, bodywork etc.

    it wouldn't need; indicators, seat belts, anything more modern than it was built with

    ...

    imho housing should be the same

    if it was built to code, changing codes should not require expensive + impractical upgrades

    the focus should be on increasing supply

    what a waste of millions 100+ gov. inquiries have been!

    and what a screw-up kiwi-build has become!

    how can the coalition expect to get more done

    when they remove targets and accountability?


    Last edited by eri; 17-06-2019 at 08:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eri View Post

    imho housing should be the same

    if it was built to code, changing codes should not require expensive + impractical upgrades


    Just out of interest, what would you do with houses built to code at the time of construction that are:

    1) full of asbestos
    2) constructed out of the same cladding materials as used in the Grenfell Tower in London
    3) homes in NZ built to code in late 1990's / early 2000's that subsequently turned out to be leaky?
    Last edited by Chris W; 18-06-2019 at 01:45 PM.

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    ^

    to further use the car example

    many cars end up having faults and defects...eg bad brake lines, dodgy airbags etc that were thought to be within the code of the time but turn out not to be

    they get recalls etc. for the first 10 - 20? years

    why not houses?

    imho

    using the building code as a "social engineering" tool

    drives up prices and doesn't fix the people (alter negative behavior for the PC)

    so is a lose - lose policy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris W View Post
    Just out of interest, what would you do with houses built to code at the time of construction that are:

    1) full of asbestos
    2) constructed out of the same cladding materials as used in the Grenfell Tower in London
    3) homes in NZ built to code in late 1990's / early 2000's that subsequently turned out to be leaky?
    For 1) and 2) I'd leave it for the owners to sort out - if they felt they had to do anything.
    For 3) I would let the owners sue the builders of the leaky homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    For 3) I would let the owners sue the builders of the leaky homes.
    OK, Sue leaky builder July 1986 limited.
    Your neighbor will sue leaky builder August 1986 limited.
    Then the same director goes on to build several more homes under

    "leaky builder (insert appropriate month and year) limited"

    As all of these limited liability companies are in liquidation, who do you sue?

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    BTW.

    This thread was started over 12 years ago. Surely time for anyone with any real constructive insight to make powerful inroads into the problem?


    Anyone?


    Hello?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keys View Post
    As all of these limited liability companies are in liquidation, who do you sue?
    Yep.
    That's how the leaky building saga happened.
    Developers/builders should be held to account for their work.
    Personal guarantees by directors/builders should be part of the permit/consent process.
    There won't be any leaky homes if the developer has to put it right.
    Some may say that developers/builders would never build if they had to give a personal guarantee.
    No building is better than building leakies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keys View Post
    BTW.

    This thread was started over 12 years ago. Surely time for anyone with any real constructive insight to make powerful inroads into the problem?


    Anyone?


    Hello?
    There is no housing crisis.
    The housing affordability crisis is some nonsense devised by stupid economists.
    The media just milk it to get headlines.
    That's why in 12 years no solution has been found/suggested.
    There is no solution to a non-existent problem.


 

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