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    Quote Originally Posted by John the builder View Post
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    are you saying that caravans need consents?

    The building code is clear in s8 that vehicles only if immovable and permanently occupied are considered building

    MBIE is making up the rules and that should concern all property owners.
    As a small HOME they are intended to be permanently occupied so the question then comes to 'immovable'.
    So if connected to sewer etc does that make it immovable?
    'Normal' houses can be moved (house moving companies) so are they immovable?

    I suspect we need new national rules for these.

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    Houses are not intended to be moveable and belong to the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John the builder View Post
    Houses are not intended to be moveable and belong to the bank.
    I suppose the question remains as to whether these tiny houses we are talking about are really made to be movable.
    They are intended for permanent occupation whereas a caravan isn't.

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    How is 'permanent' defined, I wonder?
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    How is 'permanent' defined, I wonder?
    it isnt and neither is "immovable", that is the problem

    the building code solutions used to say 90 days was temporary

    as stated above even most houses can be moved? but these TH have wheels and towbars so are vehicles (intended to be moved).

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    Or perhaps, intended to be capable of being moved.

    Everyone knows what's really going on, but no one is saying so, out loud.

    (Campervans, motorhomes, caravans and fifth-wheelers excluded)
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    Some counties in the UK define a mobile home as one that can be on the road and moving within 30 minutes. If it takes longer than that it faces the full rules, regulations and building consents of a permanent structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John the builder View Post
    Sidnz

    are you saying that caravans need consents?
    I said nothing even remotely of the sort.
    What I said was that MBIE are very clear that tiny homes are not caravans.

    I actually agree with them - whacking wheels on something built to be stationary 99.9% of the time does not make it a vehicle.
    As MBIE pointed out in their decisions, what makes the difference is purpose. The family caravan is designed to be taken on the road regularly, for long distances and for normal speeds. You cannot say the same for these tiny homes, which are designed to be lived in, on one spot. They are moveable, but not mobile.

    In fact, some cannot be taken on the road. They truck them in and then set them up on wheels to try to skirt the rules. Taking the piss at its finest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidinz View Post
    In fact, some cannot be taken on the road. They truck them in and then set them up on wheels to try to skirt the rules. Taking the piss at its finest.
    That is certainly a 'stretch.' However, if it was built on a chassis and delivered by being towed to the site and positioned by the towing vehicle, it does seem to qualify to be called a vehicle.

    I've seen many a caravan 'parked up,' semi-permanently. Orewa camp is an example that comes to mind. Clive motor camp, between Hastings and Napier is similar. The difference there is that it's a camping ground being utilised, rather than a residential dwelling section.

    Did anyone manage to nail down a definition of "permanent" in this context?

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    I said nothing even remotely of the sort.
    What I said was that MBIE are very clear that tiny homes are not caravans.
    but they are or can be if built right
    but the consequence of this "building grab" is that caravans will become buildings as well.

    if the definition is not safeguarded then all vehicles that have accommodation will be buildings as soon as they are parked. Caravans, motor homes....the lot.


 

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