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    Its misleading to quote wages vs rents, households actually pay rents out of household income, which includes wages, but may have a whole lot more. Household income from stats includes:
    1. Wages of all members of the household
    2. Government payments, eg accommodation supplement, benefits, working for families etc
    3. Income from business profits or shares etc

    I publish comparisons of just this data, which show for most cities and especially NZ as a whole, the ration of Rents (MBIE) to household income (Stats dept) has been constant for over 20 years:

    Wellington & Auckland charts by selected suburbs and selected regions and NZ on my jonette website

    Subscribe to get more details like this :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonette View Post
    Its misleading to quote wages vs rents,
    No-one quoted rents.

  3. #243

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Kane View Post
    No-one quoted rents.
    Quoted or not – Jonette made a fair point.

    It's tolerated running everything at crisis level (defined by politicians and supported by the media).

    Regarding housing, I’ve been driving since last year monthly 2000-3000km - same routes and monitor places of new build houses, unsold and empty since last year. Also landlords keeping rentals vacant not finding suitable tenants for renovated homes meeting govt standards. It looks to me like a social crisis for tenants who lost their home (because of extensive renovations, sold rentals, etc) and don’t meet standards for a new tenancy. Interesting to see – what do you think are the govt options to handle the “Housing Crisis” after all low priced rentals are removed from the market?
    Last edited by klauster; 15-06-2019 at 11:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klauster View Post
    What do you think are the govt options to handle the “Housing Crisis” after all low priced rentals are removed from the market?
    Already taken care of - the increase in the minimum wage will fix it.
    That such a thing is inflationary, a two steps forward and three steps backward function, never occurs to the socialists.
    Well . . . maybe it does.

    They get to look good in the eyes of their voters
    The tax take increases
    Their voters blame businesses for their financial woes
    Increased dependency on gummint handouts improves re-election chances.

    Hhmmmm . . . . maybe the reds are smarter than I think?
    Last edited by Perry; 15-06-2019 at 07:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don't believe the Hype View Post
    We took in refugees last year as part of our attempt to give back. We had many local applicants that were worthy of the property. The property was a fully renovated property we'd just spent a lot of time and money renovating.

    The refugees came with a certification from some govt department saying they've been trained on living in NZ so had an understanding of how things worked in NZ. The red cross gave them full support furnishing their house with things many of my other tenants couldn't afford to buy for themselves.

    It took 6 weeks for them to destroy the place. The govt documents not worth the paper it's written on, the Red Cross support/backing useless.

    AVOID taking in refugees at all cost. All the risk is yours, all the costs are yours.

    Let the government house them.
    How bad of damage ?? pretty disgusting allowed in too then take the piss ... deport time

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    Govt options?

    Rent control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyernzl View Post
    Govt options?

    Rent control.
    This is all very interesting from a practical point of view.

    What your trying to do is steer human behavior.

    It could be chimp behavior, or plant behavior ( yawn, maybe not plants, they take ages to do anything)..

    Anyho, back to the point,

    Laws are the backstop, the final place you go when the natural social control processes have failed.

    Probably the best way to get good social behavior is to show it in the media constantly.

    Want more babies, show lots of Huggies ads of quiet smiley babies.
    Want people to accept tiny houses, show lots of small house building shows.
    There's an old saying, "Monkey see, monkey do".

    You might even be able to get someone elected as president of the United States, -
    by having a TV show of him in control and running things in a ship shape fashion.

    Or as a cowboy who is good to monkeys. ha .

    I think one of the main problems New Zealand will face is with Icons.

    To train monkey behavior, you have to use stories or parables with familiar icons.
    Red riding hood, the big bad wolf, etc.

    But what say the icons are a little waving cat or a boy with an elephant head?
    and will the Icons of those cultures, be transposable into a European social structure.

    and totally off on a time tangent, because I'm bored,
    I did like the way the Romans did it, co-opting the iconography of the local people.
    If course you have to be careful.
    When you run the Egyptian empire, don't start believing your own hype, don't start thinking you are a god.
    Which might be damn near impossible if everyone around you insists otherwise.

    If anyone reading this finds themselves in this awkward situation, you can message me, and ill give you a reality check.
    and..

    You have to be true to the icon.
    The white ghost spirits of the pacific peoples never got drunk and acted badly.
    So when they did, a fake was revealed.
    Not so good for the fake.
    If you catch my drift.

    Righto!
    Last edited by McDuck; 16-06-2019 at 08:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klauster View Post
    Quoted or not – Jonette made a fair point.

    It's tolerated running everything at crisis level (defined by politicians and supported by the media).

    Regarding housing, I’ve been driving since last year monthly 2000-3000km - same routes and monitor places of new build houses, unsold and empty since last year. Also landlords keeping rentals vacant not finding suitable tenants for renovated homes meeting govt standards. It looks to me like a social crisis for tenants who lost their home (because of extensive renovations, sold rentals, etc) and don’t meet standards for a new tenancy. Interesting to see – what do you think are the govt options to handle the “Housing Crisis” after all low priced rentals are removed from the market?

    This is an interesting observation and one that back comments I've made in the past. The new housing standards remove the option for tenants to 'choose' the standard of accommodation that meets there budget or own standards. The government has mandated a minimum standard WITHOUT considering the weekly rental cost implication. In the past tenants could choose the level of comfort provided by their home based on a range of options and pay accordingly. Now the minimum standard is mandated and people just have to stump up the price.

    It would be like the government mandating only BMW's or better are allowed on NZ roads as drivers deserve a minimum level of comfort. If you can't afford a BMW well I'm afraid you'll be catching the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don't believe the Hype View Post

    It would be like the government mandating only BMW's or better are allowed on NZ roads as drivers deserve a minimum level of comfort. If you can't afford a BMW well I'm afraid you'll be catching the bus.
    With just one minor detail - in some areas bus service doesn't exist and in some there's 1 40-seat bus per hour with 500 people at each bus station.
    Now that's right comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBM View Post
    How bad of damage ?? pretty disgusting allowed in too then take the piss ... deport time
    blocked up the upstairs toilet by using cut up t-shirts the redcross gave them at paper instead of buying a few rolls... blocked before the gully so backed up the pipe to the point of overflowing... didn't mention it to the PM... crap flowed freely and was walked through the house (new carpet 6 wks earlier).

    They thought a good measure was to ladle (yep scoop up the crap) and pour it into the bath somehow the crap made it into the ceiling cavity between the upper and lower level causing the ceiling gib to bow under the weight/moisture. Their solution... stack furniture to hold up the ceiling... i kid you not.

    Red Cross notified the PM on one of their visits... 6 weeks from full reno to $25k insurance job to fix.

    Other things we noted when we did the reno for the second time - food marks on the high wall mounted heat pump installed 6 - 8 weeks earlier... they'd clearly been throwing food around inside the house.

    This 'family' was a mother with 6 or so children... given a new opportunity in NZ to escape whatever persecution she faced in her home country... my guess she was running from some local landlords who wanted her sorted out because she'd trashed their houses.


 

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