Misinformation - Elon Musk

[donna]

Hi All,

I subscribed to Wired magazine and read an article on Elon Musk's latest rant.

Would you listen to Elon Musk on anything beyond business? Not me.

Musk says - people do not have enough babies. Demographers say that's nonsense, and there's no such population crisis on the horizon. However, some people will use this misinformation to support their reasons for reducing human rights.

“With 8 billion people and counting on the earth, we don’t see a collapse happening at present time, and it’s not even projected,” says Tomas Sobotka at the Vienna Institute of Demography. Even the most pessimistic projections put the world population in 2100 at around 8.8 billion. This is far below the UN’s more widely agreed-upon estimate of 10.4 billion, but it’s still about 800 million more people than are on the planet today. Most projections agree that the world’s population is going to peak at some point in the second half of the 21st century and then plateau or gradually drop. Framing this as a collapse “is probably too dramatic,” says Patrick Gerland, chief of the United Nations’ Population Estimates and Projections Section.

According to the UN, the only region that will see an overall decline between 2022 and 2050 is eastern and southeastern Asia. Other regions tell a completely different story. The population in sub-Saharan Africa will almost double from 1.2 billion in 2022 to just under 2.1 billion in 2050. In the same period, India’s population will grow by over 250 million to overtake China’s as the largest in the world. For most of the world, population decline just isn’t something to worry about—“either now or in the foreseeable future,” Gerland says.

Maybe Musk has been watching too much of Neon's Handmaid's Tale.

cheers,

Donna

[Jeffa]

You need to be careful or atleast understand which side of the political divide certain media publication choose to send to print.

"Misinformation " can represent both sides of the debate,

Wired Magazine puts a hit piece out on Musk and his multiple companies on the regular, it's great click bait for advertising revenue.

"However, some people will use this misinformation to support their reasons for reducing human rights."

Was this your quote or from the article Donna? I'm more than happy to be educated on how having more babies reduces human rights?

Didn't the U.N, W.H.O, World Bank and other central planner's lock you in a cage for almost a year, kill of supply chains causing massive World wide inflation just to have you struggle with your mortgage payments as quoted in another thread?

Having a different opinion to the "experts " is only healthy for society, ask our Prime Minister and her podium of truth.

Musk has Aspergers , his autism can be curse and a gift to humanity, at this stage he has done more good than harm in the world, he just needs to tone down on the recreational drugs.

[donna]

As you say it's good to get both sides and the article confirms listening to him or any 'celebrity' and taking what they say as truth - is a dangerous precedent. For example, if people 'believe' we have a population crisis because that's what Elon Musk says, then, based on that false truth, they may change their minds and believe harsh anti-abortion laws are justified. This is how misinformation can be used to reduce human rights, IMHO.

I hear you, too, on the pandemic lockdowns and that Musk has Aspergers, now part of ASD.

cheers,

Donna

[artemis]

Sub Sahara Africa. Where are all those people going to move to when there is not enough work of food? We see it happening already in a small way. Other populations reproducing at less than 1 per person. Desperate times, desperate people. Can't end well.

[Jeffa]

Elon Musk came under wide spread criticism for the Ukraine to surrender territories and negotiate an end to the war.

1/ Putin is a nutter, Musk was trying to find a solution to something that's going to end badly for many Ukrainians. Many more thousands will be tortured and killed before this war ends.

2/ President Biden doesn't want to negotiate an end to the war, its very profitable for the U. S to be financing military weapons and keeping this war going for now while the U.S is in recession.

3/ A regional nuclear strike in the Ukraine doesn't mean a retaliation nuclear strike from the west, it just means tens if not hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians.

4/Sometimes those diagnosed with Aspergers, don't communicate well, I believe Musk was looking at the bigger picture and trying to save lives, Elon musk is supposedly the richest man in the world , off the the record Putin is many times more wealthier than Musk.

...My point being Elon Musk sits on the same table as the global elites and I have no doubt he has inside information to Putins end game plan.

[John the builder]

Musk is right
it isnt 'false truth' just do the maths people

even NZ would be in the poo if it wasnt for immigration.

Keep an eye on China they are now trying to reverse their one child policy imposed on them by people like the UN/world bank. No country has succeeded in this.

[donna]

^^ Did you read the article? It says there’s no immediate threat - there is no ‘population crisis’ so don’t panic.

Climate change is where our focus should be - the world is overpopulated!

cheers
Donna

[Jeffa]

^^ Did you read the article? It says there’s no immediate threat - there is no ‘population crisis’ so don’t panic.

Climate change is where our focus should be - the world is overpopulated!

cheers
Donna

Unlikely over population is going to be an issue, once 3rd world countries become developed countries, which should be the first priority, wealth tends to follow the same course, lower birth rates from education, contraception and access to a modern health care system,as has been the course in the Developed world the past 60 years.

In case you missed it, this played out in China, an over populated poor country, that became modern and wealthy in only 15years, there birth rates plummeted.

If India is aloud to become wealthy, and not restricted from political barriers, it's population will decline, like China's, and the Western Anglo Saxon White countries.Again, politicians making matters worse for India .

As for climate change

Don't you think the central planner's , governments etc if they were truly concerned, wouldn't they just stop the use of fossil fuels etc? They managed to lock the whole world in cages during the pandemic, you would think shutting down fossil fuels would be a piece of cake.

How'd that work out with Russia invading the Ukraine, the lack of Oil and Energy sources caused supply and demand issues world wide , leading to price inflation, and this eventuates to causing riots in underdeveloped countries like Sri Lanka, Hati, African states etc, obviously a pre cursor to the eventual path in the modern developed world.

That's only blocking fuel and energy from The Ukraine and Russia, imagine if we blocked it from the rest of the world? Scary thought..

The cure Donna is sometimes worse than the cause, but that seems to have happened alot the last couple of years.

Just something to keep in mind...

[John the builder]

^^ Did you read the article? It says there’s no immediate threat - there is no ‘population crisis’ so don’t panic.

Climate change is where our focus should be - the world is overpopulated!

cheers
Donna

yes I have read it
while the article refutes the claim it also acknowledges that a healthy population needs a healthy ferliity rate and suggests incentives to ensure this. On the basis that these are present then perhaps there would be no crisis but the incentives are not there. Hence our aging population. Where the productive cares and providers for the future?

Your article holds up France as a model but a simple google says;
The current fertility rate for France in 2022 is 1.849 births per woman, a 0.05% decline from 2021. The fertility rate for France in 2021 was 1.850 births per woman, a 0% increase from 2020. The fertility rate for France in 2020 was 1.850 births per woman, a 0.05% decline from 2019.

If there population is increasing it is because of immigration and that is causing its own social problems. So where is the "false truth"?

What is out governments answer?? The most permissive abortion laws in the world and euthanasia to solve the problem. Incentives?? go figure.

we reap what we sow

Climate change and population are unrelated but man made climate change is being used as a propaganda tool by the depopulators.

[donna]

Agree with your thoughts - it the word ‘crisis’ that’s misleading.

cheers
Donna

[John the builder]

it is a crisis! to say anything else is misleading

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[donna]

Johnthebuilder says.....

Climate change and population are unrelated but man-made climate change is being used as a propaganda tool by the depopulators.

With all due respect I'm not buying into your theory -

Some areas will be overpopulated - some will see population growth decline - the outcome is the same - a threat to human survival.

[John the builder]

climate change is a threat to population is not the same as..... overpopulation (if that is even a thing) causes climate change,

Are we clear?

[Jeffa]

I like the title of this:


The Neocons and the Woke Left Are Joining Hands and Leading Us to Woke War III
What matters in this story is not that Musk was told off, but rather, that a Twitter hive mind is using the same intolerant cancellation tactics that they use to shut down debate on domestic political issues in order to shape U.S. policy toward Ukraine. They are doing so by demonizing dissent, defaming opponents, and closing off as ideologically unacceptable any path to peace or even deescalation.



https://www.newsweek.com/neocons-wok...pinion-1748947

[donna]

At the end of that link -

Someone blew up the Nord Stream pipeline just in case another key nation, such as Germany, had any thoughts about coming to the bargaining table. And now we are playing a game of nuclear "chicken" with a Russian leader who, if his unhinged "War against the West" speech last Friday is any indication, has thrown away his steering wheel.

A regional war turned into the First World War because all parties made maximalist demands and assumed others were bluffing. It can happen again, especially if the media, social media, and foreign policy elite join forces and use woke cancellation tactics to preclude discussing any alternatives. Right now, we are locked on an escalatory path, and the destination ahead is Woke War III.

Scary stuff!