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  • #46
    mrsaneperson

    You are a supporter of Colin Craig.

    What do you think of his stance on Chemtrails ?

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    • #47
      Speightsboy you have to see that the media are always beatingup colin craig because thats what they do.They loathe him because hes morally conservative and not afraid to say so or speak his mind on topics.That is why journalists in this country have a gutter press reputation in this country.Great to hear an honest politician who doesn't go along with the "group-think" on issues, but can think for himself, and is prepared to say, he doesn't know everything.
      Well done Colin we need men like you in parliament.
      Personally i have never heard of the term chemtrails until you mentioned it here .So like colin craig i guess i dont know everything.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
        Haha drelly there you go, your game is up. "Male & female are simply a label!" LOL..Obviously you look forward to & are in suport of a "genderless" world.
        No thanks thats your choice not mine & [thankfully] most others.There is something massively wrong with your thought processing regarding that statement; and it casts a light on why you are so pro same sex marriage.Male & female are terms that define something they are not just "labels". LOL
        I honestly think you lack the ability to think critically. You know that you're taking what I said out of context. I don't see the point. I meant what I said in the same context that "rich" and "poor" are labels. They mean nothing without specifics.

        Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
        And lets ask the kids who surely have "some rights" in your world ,about it. How do they feel, well they are repulsed.
        If you have kids, you'll know that they are "repulsed" because of what their parents teach them.

        Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
        What we have happening in NZ regarding contentious issues is clearly not democratic action, sure the process and form that our representatives are elected by is a democratic fashion but the substance by which they carry out there duties to the opposition of public opinion is not.
        You mean how they get voted in and then do what they say they're going to do? Yeah shocking.

        Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
        Dont confuse "gay people have won the rights" as the same as "a radical group within the gay community were successful in their bid for same sex marriage law"..The two are not the same.
        Firstly, "radical" is your label. If anything, I'd call them "human rights activists".

        Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
        And were people generally happier in times before without all these new found doo wacka doo special privileges & so called rights ,non existent back in the 80's & 90's.. ? Yes they were , you dont need to ask just look at a few circa TVNZ footage back in the heyday.
        See earlier comment on critical thinking.

        Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
        Maori have ripped their own people off through the process of Government tribal settlement recognition as opposed to a united front.
        So true... Iran and Iraq should just get joint agreements with the US. They're all the same right? See earlier comment on critical thinking.

        Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
        Same thing will happen to the gay community, the small radical groups have created an own goal for themselves by legislating for same sex marriage when the civil union bill already addressed the issues needing to be dealt with. Its never enough for self obsessed individuals.Ultimately selfish agendas destroy through divisionism.
        So you're self-obsessed if you want gay marriage but you're not self-obsessed for wanting to keep it from them? See earlier comment on critical thinking.

        I'm really beginning to wonder what the point is in trying to have a discussion with you. You avoid answering most of my questions, you don't respond to most of what I say. All you do is repeat the same things using different words that I've already demolished in a previous post.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
          Speightsboy you have to see that the media are always beatingup colin craig because thats what they do.
          Perhaps if he stopped making it so easy.

          Moon landing confusion
          Conservative leader Colin Craig says he has "no idea'' whether man has walked on the moon, adding it's "what we're told'' and he is "sort of'' inclined to believe it.

          His comments this morning came after it emerged last week he has no formal position on chemtrails - a conspiracy theory that suggests the trails left by aircraft deliberately spread chemicals.
          User LuffLeigh suggested: "Why don't we just put Colin Craig on the moon. That's all the proof and relief us normal people need.''

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          • #50
            Originally posted by speights boy View Post
            Perhaps if he stopped making it so easy.
            Great quotes!
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            • #51
              Originally posted by speights boy View Post
              Perhaps if he stopped making it so easy.

              Moon landing confusion
              Eh tu Brutus? You have bought into the great media con. They have bullied and attacked Colin Craig like no other political figure ever before.It is absolutely shameful! This is not about Craigs "dont know" comment regarding mans journey to the moon or chemtrails. It is about hating & loathing anyone that doesnt share the same liberal opinion on a range of subjects from the anti smacking bill to the same sex marriage bill. Craig was the only political figure to speak against it.Media are stacked to the nines with homosexual sympathizers & antismacking so called goody gooders.They have stepped up their attack mode ever since they saw Craig gaining prominence in the polls.We heard John Campbell openly stating on TV3 tonight that John Banks had more of a recent "open minded" stance on gay marriage compared to his previously "closed minded" view...So the vast majority of people in a refrendum who would have voted no to gay marriage are closed minded according to Campbell. Checks & balanced reporting??? Nope!!!Not happening.Unchecked bias like this suits the train of propaganda; these news presenters are supposed to present balance informative debate, instead they are weazles running a mandate to promote their hidden agendas.

              You have being conned by the unbalanced journalism .Go along with it and the end result is more divisionism, as suppresion of popular opinion becomes vetoed.
              Last edited by mrsaneperson; 04-12-2013, 10:57 PM.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by drelly View Post
                Great quotes!
                Yes if you cant see through the propaganda & the fact that the media in this country are running their own political agenda.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by drelly View Post
                  I honestly think you lack the ability to think critically. You know that you're taking what I said out of context. I don't see the point. I meant what I said in the same context that "rich" and "poor" are labels. They mean nothing without specifics.

                  If you have kids, you'll know that they are "repulsed" because of what their parents teach them.

                  You mean how they get voted in and then do what they say they're going to do? Yeah shocking.

                  Firstly, "radical" is your label. If anything, I'd call them "human rights activists".

                  See earlier comment on critical thinking.

                  So true... Iran and Iraq should just get joint agreements with the US. They're all the same right? See earlier comment on critical thinking.

                  So you're self-obsessed if you want gay marriage but you're not self-obsessed for wanting to keep it from them? See earlier comment on critical thinking.

                  "I'm really beginning to wonder what the point is in trying to have a discussion with you"
                  . You avoid answering most of my questions, you don't respond to most of what I say. All you do is repeat the same things using different words that I've already demolished in a previous post.


                  "You know that you're taking what I said out of context". Its completely in context because sadly thats how you want the world to be ; a genderless world.Male & female are specific terms.

                  "If you have kids, you'll know that they are "repulsed" because of what their parents teach them" I'd call it involuntary instinctiveness knowing that without male & female anatomy "getting together" their wouldnt be any people on the planet .A distaste for ones "non creation".

                  "human rights activists" this is a term so bandied about to suit anyone that feels dispossesed of anything. The term has become a sick joke to defend absolute rights as can be seen recently with SST Vs Human Rights of a Paedophile..

                  "critical thinking" involves looking at both sides of an issue. I have not seen much "critical thinking" regarding yourself.I have put many links of literature to backup my opinion to give you a more balanced approach but you are always dismissive, siting every example as "one offs"...So this to me is hypocritical.

                  "You avoid answering most of my questions" You time and again repeat this ,yet i have answered all your questions .if not directly then indirectly through the many links to the subject matter.its not my fault if you dont read them simply because you dont agree with them.


                  "I'm really beginning to wonder what the point is in trying to have a discussion with you" ..
                  ditto

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                  • #54
                    Next interview ask him about dinosaurs, and Lady Gaga's *****. I want to know if he believes in those

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                      "You know that you're taking what I said out of context". Its completely in context because sadly thats how you want the world to be ; a genderless world.Male & female are specific terms.
                      I just told you it was out of context... therefore, "logically"... we can assume that wasn't what I meant. This is another example of you taking something I didn't say and trying to use it to further your argument. Pointless.

                      Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                      "If you have kids, you'll know that they are "repulsed" because of what their parents teach them" I'd call it involuntary instinctiveness knowing that without male & female anatomy "getting together" their wouldnt be any people on the planet .A distaste for ones "non creation".
                      You can call it what you like. It doesn't really matter.

                      Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                      "human rights activists" this is a term so bandied about to suit anyone that feels dispossesed of anything. The term has become a sick joke to defend absolute rights as can be seen recently with SST Vs Human Rights of a Paedophile.
                      Well, they are human and actively standing up for rights they believe they should have. Paedophiles have nothing to do with this discussion and your comment clarifies your prejudice.

                      Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                      "critical thinking" involves looking at both sides of an issue. I have not seen much "critical thinking" regarding yourself.I have put many links of literature to backup my opinion to give you a more balanced approach but you are always dismissive, siting every example as "one offs"...So this to me is hypocritical.
                      No, I sited examples of individuals as one-offs. They are as valid/invalid as individual examples showing the opposing view. You on the other hand ignore anything that you can't refute. I reply to every comment you make.

                      Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                      "You avoid answering most of my questions" You time and again repeat this ,yet i have answered all your questions .if not directly then indirectly through the many links to the subject matter.its not my fault if you dont read them simply because you dont agree with them.
                      Ok, I have a meeting to go to but I'll make a list of the questions you haven't answered later. How can I disagree with something I haven't read. Illogical.
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                      • #56
                        Ok mrsaneperson,

                        This is nowhere near all of them but here's a few questions you avoided answering...

                        1. How can not believing in something be a religion? I don't believe in Santa either? Is that a religion. Anti-Santaism? (you asserted atheism is a brand of religion here)
                        2. A sample of one. Congratulations. What point do you think you made? (another individual example of a confused gay person here) (Also asked in various forms in response to your "evidence")
                        3. What exactly is it that you disagree with? I'm not sure why anyone would not want children to have the same legal protection as adults? (Anti-smacking questions avoided here)
                        4. At what percentage do we ban parenting for any given group? (My comment in response to your assertion "Once again this is unproven , you cant count numbers without perspective of percentage.... It is a fact generally that homosexual lifestyles are not as stable." here)

                        You bring up a lot of links and numbers, studies and so on but what you don't consider is the actual value of these "facts" in drawing a conclusion. Data does not have meaning in itself. Correlation is not causation. You have your opinion and find data to suit it. When you're searching for all this evidence of your existing beliefs, do you also search for evidence of people who have gay parents being happy? Perhaps children should have the same rights to avoid physical attack that adults have? Perhaps atheism just makes more sense than religion? (see video below)


                        From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i3mX0YRrjM
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                        • #57
                          Those questions have already being answered in the links that i put up.If you choose not to read the links thats not my problem.The link you put above is about an unfinished study done in Australia studying same sex parentage & its outcomes with no comparisons to a hetereosexual family .There is no control group or comparison group .Its unscientific.
                          You may be happy in your illusory thinking that this is just about "same sex marriage" bill & "anti smacking laws" that the vast majority didn't want;its actually to further the breakdown of the family unit & creating divisionism:
                          Enlighten yourself:AGENDA 21
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

                          It takes as much blindsidedness with Atheism to believe in nothing & no existence of an external supernatural force as it takes to believe in some kind of Biblical personable God.

                          Both are as bad as each other .
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                            Those questions have already being answered in the links that i put up.
                            Yeah right. So four questions... no answers. At least you're consistent!

                            Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                            The link you put above...
                            I didn't provide links to anything specific other than our discussion.

                            Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                            You may be happy in your illusory thinking that this is just about "same sex marriage" bill & "anti smacking laws" that the vast majority didn't want;its actually to further the breakdown of the family unit & creating divisionism
                            ... in your opinion. What is "divisionism" anyway? People disagreeing with you?

                            Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                            Enlighten yourself:AGENDA 21
                            I haven't read Agenda 21. Have you? I'd read that before believing everything in a YouTube video. In fact, I just downloaded it. Let me know what passages you disagree with and I'll take a look.

                            Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                            It takes as much blindsidedness with Atheism to believe in nothing & no existence of an external supernatural force as it takes to believe in some kind of Biblical personable God.
                            Ah no. I think you'd find that most atheists are atheists due to the lack of any convincing evidence for God rather than "faith" that there is no God. Religion and Atheism are inherently different.
                            Last edited by drelly; 05-12-2013, 08:12 PM.
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                            • #59
                              They should never have been charged in the first place, and it's ridiculous that they were locked up for months over a peaceful protest to protect the Arctic.
                              http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11179153

                              Someone's living in a dream world.
                              Let's see how many of them rush back and do another protest - when they get their boat back.

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                              • #60
                                Someone's gotta stand up for the planet Bob. You just keep standing up for you Bob.
                                Squadly dinky do!

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