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  • #16
    Pick The Easy Targets

    Crime fighting costs
    But motorists pay
    Cars we will stop
    While crims get away.

    The political act of turning constables
    into cashiers has and is doing the very
    corrosive damage that Eri refers to.

    Although I haven't verified it, I understand
    that the government 'budgets' for the annual
    income from all those 'road safety' cash
    cameras. And it doesn't plan to spend that
    income on road safety or improvements,
    either.

    Any one want to come up with a list of
    cash camera 'faults?' They only photograph
    cars (allegedly) speeding. What do they miss?
    • Bald tyres
    • Cars not licenced
    • Drivers not licenced
    • Overloaded cars
    • Drugged drivers
    • Drunk drivers
    • Trailer towing limits
    On and on the list might go. Nobody really
    believes they're about road safety - do they?
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    • #17
      On and on the list might go
      And seatbelts not being used.
      Five of the first eleven killed during the long break
      were not wearing seatbelts and may have survived.
      "There's one way to find out if a man is honest-ask him. If he says 'yes,' you know he is a crook." Groucho Marx

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      • #18
        Another obvious one - well spotted. Cash cameras stop nothing,
        realistically. A few drivers may be more cautious, but I suspect
        very few. It's a rort, a scam and a political lie: everyone knows.
        Just that some are careful not to admit it.
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        • #19
          Why do you guys think you've got the right to speed? Or at least, shouldn't be caught and fined?

          Genuine question here - your mindset puzzles me.

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          • #20
            some people exceed recommended speeds for roads

            some people exceed their recommended weight range

            i wonder which causes more death and costs the country more?

            if it were over-eating, and i think it probably is...

            would you be ok with over-eaters being caught and fined?

            where to draw the line for reasonable limits on freedom

            i'm ok with being booked for running a red light

            or speeding in the rain on bald tyres

            but doing 120kph on the deserted desert road on a fine day in a good car...

            give me a break

            it's a victim-less crime

            fining drivers should be about road safety

            not about raising money for the general pool
            Last edited by eri; 04-01-2012, 11:49 PM.
            have you defeated them?
            your demons

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            • #21
              Did anyone post that they thought they had a right to speed?
              Or i
              mplied that they thought they shouldn't be caught and fined?
              I see the implication more being hostility towards the quota /
              revenue gathering approach by police, rather than road safety.

              It happens on the Taupo Road. I've oft seen one of those vans
              sneakily parked just over a rise or just out of sight after a long
              downward gradient of large, open, well-sealed, almost straight.
              multi-laned class I highway.

              Why aren't they always parked at the so-called 'black spots?'
              My guess is not enough revenue, there. What's a few lives
              when a million or two can be made, subversively, down the
              road a ways?
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              • #22
                Saw on the news tonight, the top roading cop lady saying 2/3 of the fatalities over the holidays were due to excessive speed and alcohol.

                So that is what they will be targeting even more.

                No mention of seatbelts, drivers doing stupid takeover moves, fatigue, human error or anything else.

                Just speed and alcohol, easily measured and fined.
                Squadly dinky do!

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                • #23
                  mmmmmm . . .

                  Up above, Muppet mentioned:
                  Five of the first eleven killed during the long break
                  were not wearing seatbelts and may have survived.
                  Now, I wonder if those two-thirds speed and alcohol figures
                  included the seat-belts fatalities? As in seat belts not worn
                  and speed or alcohol were each implicated? A little bit of
                  statistic tweaking to suit an agenda, perhaps? I.e. had they
                  been wearing seat belts, they would have survived the speed
                  and alcohol induced crashes?

                  Anyone know?
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                  • #24
                    here you go

                    drive a new car along a straight of the desert road at 150kph on a fine day

                    probably get a $450? fine and points on your licence right?

                    so what about someone who steals a $450 item from a shop

                    gets caught, gets a record, spends some time in the big house?

                    nah, just gets a warning

                    remember when you used to get them for speeding?

                    not any more

                    seems they have all been reserved for thieves and people who try to punch you in the head when you leave the pub

                    Police have issued about 19,000 warnings for low-level crimes in the past 15 months, which has led to thousands of arrested people side-stepping a prosecution and being spared a day in court.Police Commissioner Peter Marshall says the approach doesn't mean the force is being soft on crime. It has been a resounding success, reducing the number of charges in district courts by 9 per cent and freeing up officers for more active policing.Pre-charge warnings were first trialled in Greater Auckland as a way of dealing with minor offences without clogging up the court system.Half of the 19,000 pre-charge warnings issued between September 2010 and last November were for breaches of liquor bans and general disorder. Other common offences included fighting in a public place or shoplifting an item worth less than $500.

                    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10776974

                    free up officers for active policing?

                    what's the bet some of those officers who are too busy to put crims behind bars

                    are instead looking for people driving 5kph over the limit so the police don't have to reduce their numbers or salaries

                    shouldn't be hard as at least half the population seem to think the speed limits are too low

                    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10776994
                    Last edited by eri; 07-01-2012, 03:01 AM.
                    have you defeated them?
                    your demons

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                    • #25
                      Spotted this in a Waiting Room, t'other day.
                      Hope it's readable . . .


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                      • #26
                        Given all the variables a posted speed limit can only be advisory. Sometimes it is safe to exceed and often it is not safe to go anywhere near the limit.

                        The answer to this was to give enforcement officers (I was one once) discretion and that seemed to work fine. Then 'they' took all the discretion away. After that enforcement was much easier.. robots and speed cameras could do it! It was about that time that the public started to lose respect for the Police.

                        Many times I have 'traded' valuable 'information' from a speeding driver that has led to an arrest, recovery or property, or prevention of serious crime. Not so now .. that would be a disciplinary offence if not a criminal one.

                        About then I left to pursue other interests!!

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                        • #27
                          Its 80kms on the sealed roads around my parents house but on their essentially one way, gravel, windy road there is an open road speed limit.
                          Last edited by Maccachic; 09-01-2012, 01:26 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Shalodge View Post
                            About then I left to pursue other interests!!
                            Understandable, but very sad, nonetheless. Community
                            constables became government cashiers. A dumb move
                            by the Wellington drones. Your's was a wise move. Sad,
                            but prudent. That slippery slope we slide down . . .
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