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  • CraigD
    Freshie
    • Sep 2012
    • 64

    #1

    Fixed term tenancy termination

    We've tenants on a fixed term lease which ends in August, and our intention is to sell the property once finished. To prevent the lease extending into a periodic lease post fixed term, and therefore extending it by three months is it simply a case of notifying the tenants at any stage prior to the fixed term that it will not be rolling on? Thanks
  • Keys
    Fanatical
    • Nov 2006
    • 6075

    #2
    Originally posted by CraigD View Post
    is it simply a case of notifying the tenants at any stage prior to the fixed term that it will not be rolling on? Thanks
    Nope.

    You need to wait until it is periodic before issuing a termination notice.

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    • CraigD
      Freshie
      • Sep 2012
      • 64

      #3
      That's what I thought until I saw this in the agreement, and wondered what relevance it had?

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      • artemis
        Fanatical
        • May 2004
        • 3101

        #4
        Also depends on the start date of the fixed term tenancy, including if it was renewed or extended. More info at the below link, including a decision tool that includes option for notice to terminate if property is to be put on the market.

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        • CraigD
          Freshie
          • Sep 2012
          • 64

          #5
          Thanks Artemis! Just what I needed. So I need to give 90 days notice to end on the fixed term date.

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          • donna
            Enjoy today!
            • Aug 2003
            • 9763

            #6
            That’ll save you needing to wait another 3 months.

            Quite odd though when you think about it. What’s the point of fixed term - if it’s not unless you give 3 months notice that it’s ending when you said it would at the start of the fixed term?

            cheers,

            Donna
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            • artemis
              Fanatical
              • May 2004
              • 3101

              #7
              Originally posted by donna View Post
              That’ll save you needing to wait another 3 months.

              Quite odd though when you think about it. What’s the point of fixed term - if it’s not unless you give 3 months notice that it’s ending when you said it would at the start of the fixed term?

              cheers,

              Donna
              It is a very obvious consequence of this government faffing around with new tenure rules, resulting in complexities and weird stuff. In addition, don't think they realised, or even cared, that landlords would be doing much more serious risk assessment of applicants.

              I mean - decision tools to figure out when notice can be given?

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              • Keys
                Fanatical
                • Nov 2006
                • 6075

                #8
                Originally posted by CraigD View Post
                Thanks Artemis! Just what I needed. So I need to give 90 days notice to end on the fixed term date.

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                Where was this sourced please?
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                • CraigD
                  Freshie
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 64

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                  • cube
                    Thinking outside the square.
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 5099

                    #10
                    Originally posted by artemis View Post

                    It is a very obvious consequence of this government faffing around with new tenure rules, resulting in complexities and weird stuff. In addition, don't think they realised, or even cared, that landlords would be doing much more serious risk assessment of applicants.
                    Agree - the value of a fixed term tenancy is diminished now, IMO, especially to the tenant.
                    DFTBA

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                    • Keys
                      Fanatical
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 6075

                      #11
                      Appreciate that Craig.

                      Now the subject of an Official Information Act request asking them where they get the legal authority to put that out for advice to the public.

                      I refer to section 51:

                      A landlord may terminate a periodic tenancy by giving at least 63 days’ notice if ...... (my emphasis)

                      The tenancy needs to be periodic before giving notice. (IMHO)
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                      • donna
                        Enjoy today!
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 9763

                        #12
                        Can the tenant leave at the end of the fixed term ‘without’ giving notice?

                        cheers

                        Donna
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                        • artemis
                          Fanatical
                          • May 2004
                          • 3101

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Keys View Post
                          Appreciate that Craig.
                          Now the subject of an Official Information Act request asking them where they get the legal authority to put that out for advice to the public.

                          I refer to section 51:

                          A landlord may terminate a periodic tenancy by giving at least 63 days’ notice if ...... (my emphasis)

                          The tenancy needs to be periodic before giving notice. (IMHO)
                          Any update on the OIA request Keys?

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                          • artemis
                            Fanatical
                            • May 2004
                            • 3101

                            #14
                            Originally posted by donna View Post
                            Can the tenant leave at the end of the fixed term ‘without’ giving notice?

                            cheers

                            Donna
                            Don't believe so, though used to be able to I think. The decision tool referred to above is not IMO completely clear.

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                            • Keys
                              Fanatical
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 6075

                              #15
                              Originally posted by artemis View Post

                              Any update on the OIA request Keys?
                              Yip,

                              Suffice to say I missed this:

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