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    Been seeing quite a lot of this in the ethnic groups. Comments?

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    I doubt they're aware that it is illegal.
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    • #3
      I wonder if it's strictly illegal to prefer a particular race? Clearly if they are not willing to accept anyone else this would be a major issue, but a preference? Is it racial discrimination of any type that is outlawed, or just negative discrimination?

      On a separate, related matter - what if the landlord didn't base anything on race, but instead required their tenant to be fluent in Filipino, because they aren't very confident in English and want to be able to have properly understood conversations. Would that be illegal? It would serve a very similar purpose.
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      • #4
        To understand the context we should look at the situation on the ground, here in the Philippines. Here, it's very common to discriminate on anything and everything. So common, I rarely see a (usually job) advert which doesn't. The most common types of blatant discrimination is gender/sex, followed by marital status. Overt ethnic/racial discrimination against non-Filipinos is less common, but in practice is probably the most common of all - due to policies and laws which have the same effect.

        Ironically, this actually goes both ways in a specific instance. White skinned males are simultaneously ideals of both appearance and economic status as well as being foreigners. Whether the discrimination is for or against can be quite nuanced.

        Back to the issue at hand, I have no doubt the advert means exactly what it says in plain english.
        Last edited by PTWhatAGreatForum; 14-09-2017, 05:05 PM.

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        • #5
          Filipinos are good tenants from my experience! The people have a great reputation too, generally right across the world. NZ govt should be bringing in more of them, they integrate exceptionally well and don't bring demands and unrealistic expectations like some other nationalities .

          Its true what Michael says regarding white skinned males, in the Philippines they are prized, while here in NZ they have become pariahs , scorned and the bane of ""all things wrong"" ,self loathed by the all socialist brigade of journalists at the Herald.

          By the way folks when in NZ you dial 123 for Spark service you are speaking directly with an outsourced Filipino based in Manila .
          Last edited by mrsaneperson; 14-09-2017, 09:36 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
            By the way folks when in NZ you dial 123 for Spark service you are speaking directly with an outsourced Filipino based in Manila .
            Hopefully Spark have hired better then the fools who work at Smart and Globe.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MichaelNZ View Post
              Hopefully Spark have hired better then the fools who work at Smart and Globe.
              , SO FAR SO GOOD. I think some of them seemed to be going beyond help desk mode and requesting my contact details , maybe to get hitched? Already taken though

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                , SO FAR SO GOOD. I think some of them seemed to be going beyond help desk mode and requesting my contact details , maybe to get hitched? Already taken though
                Who knows? But Smart / Globe contempt for the population here is total. Just look at their Facebook pages. Before I came here I had this picture of "corruption" as having to make additional cash payments to government officials to get stuff done. While I have no doubt that happens here, it hasn't happened to me. Smart and Globe, however, are about as corrupt as they come. Nothing they say can be trusted. They will literally say one thing about the contract and enter another thing into the computer and on top of that their services are just plain shonky. Prepaid credit disappears into the ether here. They will readily dispense with "yes sir" and "yes maam" but it means nothing because they never do what they say and never fix anything. I have taken to audio recording every time I have the misfortune of dealing with them.

                Right now I am waiting on the outcome of the complaint I made to the government regulator. Knowing the Philippines, it could take awhile.
                Last edited by PTWhatAGreatForum; 14-09-2017, 09:58 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mrsaneperson View Post
                  By the way folks when in NZ you dial 123 for Spark service you are speaking directly with an outsourced Filipino based in Manila .
                  Does it matter?
                  In fact I don't think all 123 calls go to Manila.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wayne View Post
                    Does it matter?
                    In fact I don't think all 123 calls go to Manila.
                    If you have had any experience of the "customer service" culture here (Philippines) you will know why it's a problem.

                    "Customer service" in the Philippines is purely based around selling stuff. Sell you anything, tell you anything. Even include "yes sir / yes maam". But hopeless at sorting out problems.

                    Even worse, if you tell the truth about how lousy and dishonest it is, they take it as a loss of face, rather then actually fixing the damn problem.

                    As mrsaneperson said, Filipinos are probably a landlord's dream tenant because the concepts (which we hold dear) of "individual rights" and "rule of law" are weak in the Philippines.
                    Last edited by PTWhatAGreatForum; 15-09-2017, 02:20 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MichaelNZ View Post
                      If you have had any experience of the "customer service" culture here (Philippines) you will know why it's a problem.

                      "Customer service" in the Philippines is purely based around selling stuff. Sell you anything, tell you anything. Even include "yes sir / yes maam". But hopeless at sorting out problems.

                      Even worse, if you tell the truth about how lousy and dishonest it is, they take it as a loss of face, rather then actually fixing the damn problem.
                      The only dealing I have had with them via 123 was great - issue understood and fixed in one call with no problems.
                      Spark have had a lot of success with that help desk - they must be happy otherwise they wouldn't risk their reputation.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MichaelNZ View Post
                        If you have had any experience of the "customer service" culture here (Philippines) you will know why it's a problem.

                        "Customer service" in the Philippines is purely based around selling stuff. Sell you anything, tell you anything. Even include "yes sir / yes maam". But hopeless at sorting out problems.

                        Even worse, if you tell the truth about how lousy and dishonest it is, they take it as a loss of face, rather then actually fixing the damn problem.

                        As mrsaneperson said, Filipinos are probably a landlord's dream tenant because the concepts (which we hold dear) of "individual rights" and "rule of law" are weak in the Philippines.
                        So true, and perhaps explains why successive presidents from the 80's onward have largely been ineffective and largely apathetic in making any positive change until incumbent , El Presidente Duterte that is, though it remains to be seen how his activeness will all play out. I have reservations , not so much about his war on drugs but his probable ties with Islam in connection with the battle for a Sharia Law state in Marawi.

                        A while back he was quoted as saying, ""There is only one God and his name is Allah"" though he describes himself as non religious .

                        Still if we could ship some more Filipinos in and ship out the undesirables from Kiwi land to some far flung atoll it would be a win win for both countries as the Phils main earner is overseas workers sending money back to their families - which is why everytime i hear the word ""poverty"", used to describe our comparably luxurious socio economic situation in NZ ,it offends me.

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                        • #13
                          I live in Davao and he is genuinely very popular here. Almost worshiped. And noone is holding a gun to anyone's heading telling them they have to adore him.

                          His Daughter is the current Mayor of this city.

                          Politically, the Philippines is a strange country for a westerner. It's democratic, but the population votes in an authoritarian leader. It's culturally conservative* but homosexuality is legal and gay rights are openly advocated on a popular TV show. It is open and welcome to foreigners as well as being structurally xenophobic and nationalist. It has a large Islamic population but also has one of the statistically lowest anti-semitism rates in the world.

                          *Adultery is a crime here. Societal and government discrimination against children born out of wedlock and unmarried couples with children is a real thing. State (public) schools include prayers and other catholic stuff.
                          Last edited by PTWhatAGreatForum; 15-09-2017, 08:49 PM.

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