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    Greetings everyone.

    I rent out spare rooms in my house where I also live, and a young guy moved in earlier in the year and regularly does little things that erode my trust. Nothing particularly serious (details to come) but basically, I don't like living with someone whose attitude shows me they're somewhat untrustworthy. I've discussed this in the past with him and thought the message got across, but it seems like it hasn't.

    So the question on my mind is if and how to ask him to kindly move on, and I'd just like to get some opinions and experiences from others at this stage before I make up my mind. So here's the detail. He has helped himself to other people's stuff in the past, in particular mine, without asking. He'll take food and things from the kitchen and leave them at work despite knowing full well that's not OK. He took an expensive pen from my office and left it in the kitchen -- office has no door and is next to his room, and I made it clear afterwards that "My office is private". He was stealing toilet paper from work and bringing it home until I asked him to stop. Storage containers I just bought disappeared and I discovered them in the fridge full of his lunch. He picked most of the lemons after I'd made it clear to leave them on the tree. And while I was away recently my security camera caught him in my office again twice, not clear what he was doing and I'm not about to mention the camera to him.

    So how would any of you proceed here? He can be a helpful and friendly guy at times, although he behaves quite immaturely. I don't want to just kick him out but really his attitude and trustability are a bit of a thorn for me. Similar stories please?

    [Edit for clarity and spelling.]
    Last edited by TheTinMan; 13-08-2017, 11:48 PM.

  • #2
    Ask him to leave?

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    • #3
      How about if you say that a family member is going to move in? He is definitely untrustworthy. The things he do without your permission may seem to be little things but they are not and it is very annoying!! I would change my locks once he has moved out and install more security cameras for outdoor. He may come back and " a bit of vandalising" to trouble you
      for kicking him out.
      Last edited by cesami20; 14-08-2017, 11:18 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by cesami20 View Post
        How about if you say that a family member is going to move in?
        Nah. Don't bother with that. Just tell him to leave.
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        • #5
          Yep. Just ask him to move on, no need to lie. It's your house and you'll do with it what you want. If you have any concerns he may cause damage (I don't see any reason to based on your post) then an extra camera or two would be prudent.

          Did you get him to sign anything on move-in? I have an agreement I made up that they sign, sets out notice periods etc. From memory they need to give me 2 weeks, I need to give them 4.

          Legally a boarding house has to give two weeks notice (or less in specific, extreme circumstances) but I don't think that law even applies to private boarders/flatmates. It's a matter of decency.
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          • #6
            This sets out the rules around flatties.

            https://www.tenancy.govt.nz/starting...ancy/flatting/

            He sound very immature and ignorant - we were probably all like that once - and not cooked yet! His parents probably mollycoddled him. My suggestion would be to sit him down again, make your requirements very clear, and give him a written list of what is expected. Then tell him he will be out in a specified period if he doesn't get his act together.

            Don't be subtle. Most young guys don't do subtle.

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            • #7
              Firstly, stop referring to yourself as a landlord. You are not, and referring to yourself may muddy the situation and make your flatmate think he has rights that he doesn't.

              Secondly, I don't see the problem. You don't want him living there, so kick him out. As stated, there is no legal minimum notice for a flatmate but the accepted 'reasonable' notice period is two weeks.

              I also suggest that when you get your replacement flattie in, you make it crystal clear from the outset what is 'chattels' and to be shared by the residents as furnishings, and what is private property, for your use only.
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              • #8
                flatted with a guy like that once, probably worse

                was a young lawyer

                thought he was smarter than the rules and the idiots who lived by them

                i moved out after being woken by the police after an open invitation party

                where some of the 'guests'

                had knocked over next door
                have you defeated them?
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                • #9
                  Hi TheTinMan, another tip before you rush to replace him with another flatmate - put a door and lock on your office and write up a MOU (memorandum of understanding) and get it signed before new flattie moves in.

                  cheers,

                  Donna
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