Graeme Fowlers cse VS Global business ideas Sandwich lease options & trading course

[whitt]

OK.
It seems there are two similar courses on the market at present. Graeme Fowler's trading course & Global Business Ideas lease options course, which includes flipping ( trading).
Has anybody attended both and would like to tell the forum the difference.

Obviously this is not a sales pitch either way just an opportunity for those who have attended either or both to respond by poll to give everybody else feedback. The poll is anonymous so should give good results. The true differences will come from the poll results of those that have attended both.

Hopefully we can keep comments under control so as not to get moved to commercial thread.

[Marc]

Hello Whitt,

I wrote in another thread the following (quote below) as I feel it is important to understand what strengths you must have in order to ready gain from the courses offered.

Donna and I went on the same Roger H. course that you went on in Singapore. Both our profiles do not even come close to the Trader profile (I assume that this is the correct profile to associate with your course?) so how can Donna and I benefit from your course when Roger basically states that you should never deviate from your strengths?

What the statement within the quote means is that Donna and I when apply the Roger H. profile system we do not do well with trading. Roger gives an example of a person going outside their profile - the person is Martha Stewart (http://www.marthastewart.com/) who is a Star profile and got busted then sent to jail because she traded on the share market which is not what a Star profile should do.

Cheers

Marc

[cube]

Hmmmm - not sure of the value of a poll. Both course cost several $000s, so you have a limited number of possible participants!

Also, those that got the best value out of either won't be voting - they are too busy doing deals!

[donna]

I agree with Cube - the results though may be interesting are not overly worthwhile given Graeme's course is not on offer.

Personally I'd say both courses (if both were available)would be equally beneficial though maybe not for the same reasons.

Let's also remember that both GBI and Graeme are available members and supporters of PropertyTalk.com.

Cheers,

Donna

[Cliffy]

Have done both courses. Both were excellent, but for different reasons.

Signed NDAs so can't go into details.

Some content in Graeme's seminar is covered in GBI course, but Graeme had a few other tips and some other things which definitely made it worthwile.

GBI course also covers Options, Lease Options and Sandwich Lease Options which enables you to have a strategy and multiple exit strategies for any situation - you can even pay vendor full price and make money.

I just completed GBI's Multiple Finance Strategies course and thanks to Dorien, Rineke and Ryan now have a few more 'strings to the bow'.

And yes, i'm busy out chasing deals. Too many deals, not enough time :-)

[orion]

It seems there are two similar courses on the market at present. Graeme Fowler's trading course & Global Business Ideas lease options course, which includes flipping ( trading).

Hi Whitt, Dorien & Rineke's seminar is open to the public, anyone can attend. My one is not.

The one I did in P/North was by invitation only, a confidentiality agreement was signed by all participants at the start of the day.

So, I'm not sure where you get the idea that it is 'on offer', can you please explain? I am doing another one in Taupo, and again it is not on offer, it is by invitation only. The Taupo one is run over 2 days as there was too much to cover in a day for some people and a day and a half for about 65 people. There are enough people that have e-mailed me that could not attend the first one to fill this one as well which is limited to approx 50 people, so there is no need for anyone to PM me please about it.

I would appreciate you getting your facts about posting polls on here about my seminars which are not available to th egeneral public.

Marc or Donna, are you able to do something about this?

Regards
Graeme Fowler

[Marc]

Hello Graeme,

The poll has been closed by the moderators due to the inaccuracy commented by the members.

I have also reset the poll results to 0.

Cheers

Marc

[Propoholic]

Hi Marc & Donna,

Whitt wrote:

I am uncertain what inaccuracies of the poll question there could be.
Question was has the person attended either course?and if they have did they feel they had value for money?
End of story.

Whether the couse is open to public or only some investors is irrelevant. I did state they were available to some investors which implies not for general public.

The poll was completely accurate and unbiased.

Yes, the poll was completely accurate and unbiassed.

There are property forums out there where members threads are deleted or altered because they do not meet the commercial interests of the forum owners. I would hope PropertyTalk never loses the Independent branding that it has been built on and is well known for.

Marc wrote:

Hello Graeme,

The poll has been closed by the moderators due to the inaccuracy commented by the members.

I have also reset the poll results to 0.

Cheers

Marc

Marc/Donna, I would appreciate it if you can explain propertyTalk's policy on polling/thread content, when is a poll/thread not suitable for the PropertyTalk forum?
I would hate to see the day when PropertyTalk members are requested to delete threads because a product supplier disagrees with the content.

Perhaps you can enlighten us?

[donna]

Barry,

Earlier on in the thread the Poll came into question as to it's relevance.....and not initially by us!

Cheers,

Donna

[Propoholic]

Propoholic wrote:

Marc/Donna, I would appreciate it if you can explain propertyTalk's policy on polling/thread content, when is a poll/thread not suitable for the PropertyTalk forum?
I would hate to see the day when PropertyTalk members are requested to delete threads because a product supplier disagrees with the content.

Perhaps you can enlighten us?

Donna, I think PT members deserve an answer to the above question.

Donna wrote:

Barry,

Earlier on in the thread the Poll came into question as to it's relevance.....and not initially by us!

Cheers,

Donna

What does this mean Donna? There are many instances on PT where a forumite disagrees with relevance but that does not mean a poll gets locked or thread deleted? I hope we are not setting a precedent here donna. We have previous instances in the PT archives of product suppliers disagreeing with forum content. That is the value of open and independant discussion?

[Marc]

Hello all,

The question of Pt.com's independence has been questioned within this thread and I need to make sure that all visitors and members fully understand what we mean by independent.

Pt.com accepts all articles submitted by anyone who thinks there topic would be of interest to the pt.com community.

We do not block anyone from submitting an article UNLESS the article is pure advertising.

Within the forum we allow anyone to communicate their thoughts and opinions without any control by us UNLESS there is personal attacks of ones character or other standard forum breeches such as adult content, swearing etc...

The poll in this thread was questioned by a member and we acted on it. The process for Donna and I as MODERATORS not OWNERS was:

Review the polls options and then compare the two courses against each other – this is where the inaccuracy is identified and our conclusions provided below:

1) One is public and the other is invitation only.

2) Graeme’s course from my understanding is for property investors who Graeme personally considers advanced not newbies – hence the invitation aspect.

3) GBI’s course is for anyone who is interested in building cashflow to purchase properties.

Thus one course is for investors selected personally by Graeme and the other is for anyone (public). So our understanding is how can you compare the two courses against each other when they are targeting different demographics?

If I am a newbie in property investing and review the poll and see that one course is favoured more than the other how does this help me?

Please also understand that there are not only seasoned investors who read these posts but newbies who have not even purchased their first IP. Maybe we should look at this from a newbies point of view? What would they gain from a poll that has a course that they would never be invited on in the first place?

I hope this has cleared up any possible thought that we are not independent as I take any comment like this very seriously.

I have documented the thought process Donna and I went through with our moderators hats on. If you still feel that our decision is not a good one then please provide your conclusions within this thread.

Cheers

Marc

[donna]

Whit,

The title of this thread alone states that the Poll is about comparing the two seminars - against each other - not considering each one independently.

The two are not directly comparable therefore the Poll is misleading and the hence the action taken as explained by Marc earlier.

Cheers,

Donna

[Rampage]

can we rename the poll and get on with it??. remember big brother is watching!

regards,

Mike

[Aston]

Hi,

I'm returning to NZ shortly and considering attending seminars/courses such as these. I'm VERY interested in the results of this poll.

Can you please rename the poll or do what is necessary to allow people to record their opinions. These opinions are valuable. We're all intelligent people (?), we're not going to be easily misled by the inappropriate title of the poll are we?

If I'm to be sheltered from the results of such a poll, then my thinking is that they're probably not good value for money and consequently overpriced.

Aston.

[Propoholic]

Marc/Donna

Marc wrote:

I hope this has cleared up any possible thought that we are not independent as I take any comment like this very seriously.

Unfortunately Marc, you havent provided any clarity as to why you think you are still independent, all you are doing is reiterating Graeme Fowler's concerns. Members are also taking this seriously, Marc. Yesterday you sent a PM to Whitt requesting that he delete the poll/thread, I also understand he was told that if he didnt delete it PropertyTalk moderators would. Your reasoning so far has nothing to do with forum control and protocol, perhaps there are other influences at play???

Marc wrote:

The poll in this thread was questioned by a member and we acted on it. The process for Donna and I as MODERATORS not OWNERS was:

Review the polls options and then compare the two courses against each other – this is where the inaccuracy is identified and our conclusions provided below:

1) One is public and the other is invitation only.

2) Graeme’s course from my understanding is for property investors who Graeme personally considers advanced not newbies – hence the invitation aspect.

3) GBI’s course is for anyone who is interested in building cashflow to purchase properties.

I was on the Graeme Fowler course in Palmerston North. Over two days, numerous attendees commented that the majority of course content was covered in the GBI Sandwich Lease Options course. Marc, you werent at Graeme's course in Palmerston North, nor do you appear to have spoken to attendees from that course.
Marc you have documented your thought process but it doesnt explain why you would go to the extreme of locking the poll and request that Whitt delete the thread? There is a precedent being set in this circumstance, this hasnt occured before, why now??

Marc wrote:

If I am a newbie in property investing and review the poll and see that one course is favoured more than the other how does this help me?

You tell me Marc? It's called information Marc, that's why people frequent this site, they value the quality of information provided. The newbie has choice and options to ask for further information, as required.

Marc wrote:

Please also understand that there are not only seasoned investors who read these posts but newbies who have not even purchased their first IP. Maybe we should look at this from a newbies point of view? What would they gain from a poll that has a course that they would never be invited on in the first place?

PropertyTalk isnt just for Newbies mark, seasoned investors may be trying to make an informed decision based on forum feedback, this is what PT is all about and why you and Donna formed it.

Richmastery, Empower Education, Hybrid Group (to name a few) and PropertyTalk members in general have not had the luxury of being able to request that a thread be altered/deleted because they disagree with content. Why is Graeme Fowler any different??

A lot of people have supported this website as it has been independent and free from tainting.
PropertyTalk's integrity and independence has been compromised in this instance.