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  • #16
    Originally posted by Keys View Post
    Ever thought of asking the National party (government officials) that question?
    My source averred that it was many decades ago, so it's likely that only an avid archivist would have any idea.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Anthonyacat View Post
      ... On the rest of your point as a whole, completely agree. Do love my crushed ice. That was your point, yes?
      Yes!
      I'm partial to their super shakes as well.

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      • #18
        when 98% of submissions are against a proposal and they go ahead anyways...

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/pro...d-to-meet-need

        you can spend an hour writing a submission or spend that hour planning your own high density project for the site you own near by...

        Which would you spend your time on?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Perry View Post
          Seems like a rhetorical as well as unasked question, Graeme. So . . . presuming you conceived the question on the basis that you already had your own answer, my question is:

          What do you think should be done (to best effect) in the face of the widespread, rampant and largely unjustified anti-LL sentiment and the consequential horrendous cost to the NZ taxpayer?

          By LLs in general and the NZPIF as well.
          They say there's POWER IN NUMBERS.
          Instead we are weak, fluffing around with sunset/beach seminars. Almost every so called property group incl. associations and groups just waltz around, making cat noises here and there.
          These so called leaders are not showing strong leaderships. No Strategy.
          If any other community were treated like this there would be riots.
          Last edited by Perry; 03-12-2019, 12:25 PM. Reason: fixed quoted material

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          • #20
            Actions & Numbers

            Originally posted by BlueSky View Post
            They say there's POWER IN NUMBERS.
            Instead we are weak, fluffing around with sunset/beach seminars. Almost every so called property group incl. associations and groups just waltz around, making cat noises here and there.
            These so called leaders are not showing strong leaderships. No Strategy.
            If any other community were treated like this there would be riots.
            O.K. So there's power in numbers.

            Politics
            Remember that there are more tenants than LLs, so that has a huge impact on party political policies and legislation largely aimed at re-election.

            Associations
            Which comes first?

            The numbers to give the power?

            Or the association's actions to attract the numbers to give the association the power?

            If the latter, what do you suggest the actions should be?
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Perry View Post
              O.K. So there's power in numbers.

              Politics
              Remember that there are more tenants than LLs, so that has a huge impact on party political policies and legislation largely aimed at re-election.

              Associations
              Which comes first?

              The numbers to give the power?

              Or the association's actions to attract the numbers to give the association the power?

              If the latter, what do you suggest the actions should be?
              Well... you can start right here, right now.

              Clarity first.

              -and objectivity.

              What exactly is your objective?
              What specific outcome do you want?
              What do you hope to gain from it?

              Be specific, more money? - how much?
              More freedom? - What kind of freedom, and what exactly will you do with it, and when?

              What will be the price to you, and any other group or collection of individuals you choose to notice.
              You need to think all the domino effects through thoroughly.

              Integrity too, if you benefited from some sort of socialist type initiative like say free schooling or free libraries, then it would be ethical to support those sort of free services for the future members of our country.
              Last edited by McDuck; 04-12-2019, 06:22 AM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bob Kane View Post
                You're right of course.
                School kids marching along the streets chanting "Leave the carbon in the soil" is far more important.
                Then they duck into Burger King and grab a crushed ice drink in a plastic container and sip it through a plastic straw.
                They are empowered!
                don't forget that fast fashion is one of the two biggest contributors to GHGs and water usage. Guess who's buying all that sh*t? The same kids marching down the street blaming everyone over 40 for f*cking with their environment.

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                • #23
                  "Ok, boomer" seems their most useful contribution so far.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by orion View Post
                    I believe in letting things happen and eventually it all balances out.
                    They've had wage freezes before, rent freezes, attempts at controlling inflation, addressing the gap between rich and poor, doing things to stop house prices go up, etc etc.
                    This is just another one in the governments eyes to help tenants out more. Of course they are 180 degrees focused on the wrong thing, but it's not my job to fight against their stupidity. The market always decides in the end, supply and demand etc.
                    Funny enough, I've just made an offer on another property largely based on my confidence the current, and near future government policies, will continue to choke supply and we will see rents rising at a fair clip for at least the next few years. Any additional attempts to control the market they make will also make for profitable work arounds, and they seem hell bent on taking this road.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by orion View Post
                      I would rather just focus on what I'm doing and not get caught up in all the lobbying, fighting against and getting upset by it all.
                      Individualism – is that the basis of democracy?

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                      • #26
                        ^^ Yes. There needs to be a balance between individualism and collectivism.

                        cheers,

                        Donna
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