Banned: Rental bidding; No reason giv terminations plus Rent Increases Min. Annually.

[donna]

Really good article by Steven Joyce. Did you watch the short video - it was an interesting - but more so it was followed up with our PM in the news - not for doing her job of course, but for looking good in an outfit on cover of TIME.

Serious matters aside, it's great to see our PM building up her personal profile, I predict her next move will be to the UN and in time she'll be the first female Secretary General, and until then - it's likely to be 4 more years of Trump and 3 more years of Ardern.

[Perry]

A shame the closing paragraph was not the opening one:

To make housing more affordable, the last decade's experiences tell us to greatly increase land supply, ensure a ready supply of build finance, put less pressure on the Reserve Bank to lower interest rates to keep the economy going, enlist community and NGO help in supplying social housing, and stop treating the vast bulk of residential landlords like they are pariahs. Oh, and forget a more punitive capital gains tax – countries with one of those have the same skyrocketing house prices as we've had.

As PC observed, it's astonishing that item got past Stuff's socialist sub-editors. Unless they allowed it to be able to fawn on those who they see as potentially the next crop of W'gton woodenheads, of course.

[Learning]

What are the acceptable reasons?

Selling up as vacant possession

LL moving in

what else is on the list?

cheers,

Donna

Major renovations or demolition.

Reasons not allowed to issue 90 day notices for: Not paying rent, abusive/threatening behavior, ignoring tenancy agreement, illegal pets or drug use, intentional damage.... Sounds fair to me.

[donna]

You have clearly not seen the list of 'acceptable' reasons for ending a tenancy. It is short. You basically have the tenants for life.

What are the acceptable reasons?

Selling up as vacant possession

LL moving in

what else is on the list?

cheers,

Donna

[PC]

Sensible article from Stuffed:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opi...out-what-works

Hard to believe they published it.

[richard56]

Hi
Here is a reply I got from my MP, National's Denise Lee ,when I emailed her to ask what National are doing to stop this bill from happening.

Hi Richard,

Thanks for getting in touch.

National is committed to supporting landlords – part of our major housing issue is due to supply and demand. We are strongly opposing the bill and it is actually being debated this afternoon. To improve the rental market we know we need to encourage more landlords. I totally agree with everything you have said about infringing on property rights.

Hon Judith Collins, our Housing Spokesperson, has recently confirmed that under a National Government we could expect changes to this amendment act but we are yet to release policy specifics. The purpose would be to encourage more landlords to get into the market and more people to own their own homes.

There needs to be a balance between the rights of tenants and landlords, and we must make sure that the pendulum doesn’t swing too far either way.

Be rest assured that this is top of mind for us and something we will be working hard on.

Regards,

Denise

[Spoook]

If only the legal system could make it so that both parties just act like decent human beings, ie compassionate and on the tenants side understanding. The 14 and 6% like all things being the minority ruins it for all.

I totally agree. Finding that good tenant, that wants a "home" and does not believe the owner has a bottomless pocket to repair any damage they want to inflict on the property, my dream.

[OnTheMove]

I wouldn't have thought the 24 hours notice for viewings would be legal in the eyes of the TT. And weekly viewings for 3 months could be argued as against "quiet enjoyment".

However standing up for your rights and ending up with your name on a TT order could sink your chances of finding another rental entirely.

I had no idea at the time I had such rights. It was rather Harrowing at times and was a total, a.hole move. But I got out ASAP and life goes on. Perhaps a lesson for somebody tenanting.

[Learning]

However, I have been in the situation where a LL has listed a property and then put it on the Market 1 month later and advised me personally he had intended to all along, as I was stuck due to work it took me 3 months to find suitable accommodation, it took him 7 months to sell. 3 months of 24 hours notice walk ins and weekly viewings when you KNOW you are going to sell the property is pretty crappy morally.

I wouldn't have thought the 24 hours notice for viewings would be legal in the eyes of the TT. And weekly viewings for 3 months could be argued as against "quiet enjoyment".

However standing up for your rights and ending up with your name on a TT order could sink your chances of finding another rental entirely.

[OnTheMove]

You have clearly not seen the list of 'acceptable' reasons for ending a tenancy. It is short. You basically have the tenants for life.

IF the LL is protected by things such as reputable tenants and by treating the property with care, I think that is ideal. Its when you wind up with 14% Perry eludes to, what is the legality around removing such tenant? (ie holes in the wall, carpet stains due to parties not accidents etc)

I do agree re the case about the people intending to keep as you said but bailed out.

However, I have been in the situation where a LL has listed a property and then put it on the Market 1 month later and advised me personally he had intended to all along, as I was stuck due to work it took me 3 months to find suitable accommodation, it took him 7 months to sell. 3 months of 24 hours notice walk ins and weekly viewings when you KNOW you are going to sell the property is pretty crappy morally.

In that situation I do think LL's should have to advertise with the intent to sell and the property be discounted as such. Cant have ya cake and eat it too and not be called a scummy LL (not refering to you Sidinz about this topic, just general thoughs on it).

Ive never faced this situation of advertising to rent and then putting on Market, it does make me think in hind site I should have asked why the prior tenant was leaving, but would I expect an honest answer from a REA? that is too Lols.

I have however had to advise tenants of intent to sell and then I just discounted their rent while the process occured, gave them full notice when sold so they had plenty of time to find somewhere. But that is in Qld where houses are easy to rent.

If only the legal system could make it so that both parties just act like decent human beings, ie compassionate and on the tenants side understanding. The 14 and 6% like all things being the minority ruins it for all.

[sidinz]

"Improve tenant’s security by removing a landlord’s right to use no cause terminations to end a periodic tenancy agreement."

Does that mean the LL simply has to have a suitable reason to end a periodic tenancy?

ie I'm greedy and I want to lock somebody new into an insanely over inflated price :-p

hehe, now I jest. Who knows what they really think LLs think

But if that is the case surely its not hard to just come up with any old reason to terminate? So what's the point?

You have clearly not seen the list of 'acceptable' reasons for ending a tenancy. It is short. You basically have the tenants for life.

[sidinz]

Today's freshet of t . . .

Renting in NZ: 'This is an incredibly stressful way to live'
21 Dec 2019

Why is it that there's so little reference to the current crop of socio-commie clowns being the primary - if not sole - cause of all this grief and woe?

More than one of those stories looked like a clear case of the LL either selling up due to current policies or getting rid of the current tenant while they still can.

For example, the one crying foul because they've been there four years but the LL said they weren't planning to see for 20. Well, when they said that, it was before all the current meddling. They probably had every intention of holding for that long but are now getting out, yet ironically, the very govt that caused this is the one being lauded for trying to do something about tenancies being ended!

[Perry]

More Sad Stories

Read the earlier sob story . . . back here.

Today's freshet of t . . .

Renting in NZ: 'This is an incredibly stressful way to live'
21 Dec 2019

Why is it that there's so little reference to the current crop of socio-commie clowns being the primary - if not sole - cause of all this grief and woe?

[Perry]

The numbers have been debated before, but - for the purposes of this post - we'll agree on 6% scumbag LLs and 14% scumbag tenants.

So - saith the socio-commies - let's ostracise, vilify and penalise 100% on the basis of the few tenants and LLs who are reprobates.

[OnTheMove]

You could shorten that to G-Nits, sounds a bit more millenial haha.

I think there is socialism throughout every G-nit, so I just vote for somebody who is trying to improve things I personally appreciate.

People often mean well but end up taking sides by actions, Im not sure where one side sits in the tenant/LL scale as far as rights are concerned. I see the tenants issues and agree with a lot of them, but I see a lot of LL concerns not being thought about.

A fair system seems unfair no matter what they try. There are also greedy LL's who will want more no matter how much the scale of rights sits on their side, for them I care less, for the people just wanting a fair go, I do think there needs more work done.