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    Read a great book today penned by a black billionaire US businessman. He said one of his early "dreams" was to work in his city and provide affordable housing for the "poor". After getting it up and running and being lauded as a saviour he discovered that people who were provided with cheap housing never looked after them. They had no vested interest and the entire business, which was huge, folded as he saw he it wasn't achieving anything except create slums. They deferred maintenance, got behind on bills and generally behaved like bad tenants instead of home owners.

    His research and experimentation led him to finally implement a system of what he calls integrated demographic housing areas. The people who are house proud put pressure on the neighbours to maintain their properties and they actually change and grow up over time.

    This is a similar model to what HNZ do here in NZ but it doesn't seem to work that way does it? Do they need to persevere or is our culture simply not willing to participate?

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    The kiwi tall poppy syndrome doesn't allow us to voice opinions on other people without being accused of being "negative". In short, we lack a sense of social responsibility that seems to be seen as a kind of freedom as if requiring less of each other is a virtue.
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    • #3
      People need skin in the game. Just providing them with cheap housing doesn't automatically mean they value it. Housing projects all over the world has proven this.

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      • #4
        The kiwi tall poppy syndrome doesn't allow us to voice opinions on other people without being accused of being "negative". In short, we lack a sense of social responsibility that seems to be seen as a kind of freedom as if requiring less of each other is a virtue.
        So you mean we just won't do it? I guess that is because A, crime issues and in Auckland anyway why would you live somewhere where values get negatively affected.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bobsyouruncle View Post
          Read a great book today penned by a black billionaire US businessman. He said one of his early "dreams" was to work in his city and provide affordable housing for the "poor". After getting it up and running and being lauded as a saviour he discovered that people who were provided with cheap housing never looked after them. They had no vested interest and the entire business, which was huge, folded as he saw he it wasn't achieving anything except create slums. They deferred maintenance, got behind on bills and generally behaved like bad tenants instead of home owners.

          His research and experimentation led him to finally implement a system of what he calls integrated demographic housing areas. The people who are house proud put pressure on the neighbours to maintain their properties and they actually change and grow up over time.

          This is a similar model to what HNZ do here in NZ but it doesn't seem to work that way does it? Do they need to persevere or is our culture simply not willing to participate?
          what book is this? I only ask, becuase I know of no African American billionaires who are real estate developers.
          Last edited by Kbkiwi; 17-01-2017, 12:05 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bobsyouruncle View Post
            Read a great book today penned by a black billionaire US businessman. He said one of his early "dreams" was to work in his city and provide affordable housing for the "poor". After getting it up and running and being lauded as a saviour he discovered that people who were provided with cheap housing never looked after them. They had no vested interest and the entire business, which was huge, folded as he saw he it wasn't achieving anything except create slums. They deferred maintenance, got behind on bills and generally behaved like bad tenants instead of home owners.

            His research and experimentation led him to finally implement a system of what he calls integrated demographic housing areas. The people who are house proud put pressure on the neighbours to maintain their properties and they actually change and grow up over time.

            This is a similar model to what HNZ do here in NZ but it doesn't seem to work that way does it? Do they need to persevere or is our culture simply not willing to participate?
            Well, first of all, shelter and maintenance are two different issues.
            Shelter is a physical object.
            Cleaning and maintenance is a people training issue.
            Complex behaviours of any sort are passed through generations, usually instilled as normal behaviors before the age of five.
            Language being one, sociability being another.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kbkiwi View Post
              what book is this? I only ask, becuase I know of no African American billionaires who are real estate developers.
              Robert F Smith. He's not a real estate developer, he's a chemical engineer who got into tech investing.

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              • #8
                This guys actually a Minister. I wont give the obnoxious trolls any ammo by naming him.
                My point was simply to ask about whether his research and successful model could work here. Sounds like it wouldn't unless we can find a way to make people with money be happy to live next to people who are below them socially.

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                • #9
                  ...the Abo's in outback aussie-land are masters at trashing newly built $Million Houses...!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bobsyouruncle View Post
                    This guys actually a Minister. I wont give the obnoxious trolls any ammo by naming him.
                    Long list of black American billionaire businessmen who are also Ministers is there? Just a small point, at this point in time there is exactly one black American billionaire businessman, Robert F Smith., all the others are sportsmen.

                    If it's a book by a black American businessman who is not a billionaire, then perhaps the list is a little longer? Peedles then?

                    Originally posted by Bobsyouruncle View Post
                    My point was simply to ask about whether his research and successful model could work here.
                    You mean this;

                    His research and experimentation led him to finally implement a system of what he calls integrated demographic housing areas. The people who are house proud put pressure on the neighbours to maintain their properties and they actually change and grow up over time.

                    What this suggests is that housing and neighborhoods change peoples behavior. Most of the time gentrification happens with wealthier people moving into a new area and pushing the previous residents out, it does not result in the people who lived there getting wealthier with very rare exception.

                    Last edited by elguapo; 17-01-2017, 04:04 PM.

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                    • #11
                      probably peebles
                      have you defeated them?
                      your demons

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                      • #12
                        Housing New Zealand ended the "House for life" policy in 2014, kicking out almost 600 people since that time. There is not a lot of incentive to take care of a home and treat it as your own if you could be told to move on at any time.

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                        • #13
                          When did Oprah become a sportsman?
                          Or the other ones who own billion dollar corporations?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bobsyouruncle View Post
                            When did Oprah become a sportsman?
                            Or the other ones who own billion dollar corporations?
                            Why are we being 'trolls', when you are the one refusing to name the book or the author?

                            You started this thread by talking about this book, and now you aren't willing to provide any further information about an African American minister/billionaire/real estate developer you say wrote this book.

                            I would be very interested to read this book, but I can't find anything on google or Amazon about it or the author - why are you so determined to not share the book/author details?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bobsyouruncle View Post
                              When did Oprah become a sportsman?
                              Or the other ones who own billion dollar corporations?
                              When did Oprah become a businessman? Or is she wandering down the gender fluid road too?

                              Would you care to list all the other black American businessmen who 'own billion dollar corporations', it would be interesting to see who is on that list.

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