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  • What Could you do to invest in Property - with $60k cash/equity?

    This question was asked to 5 of us for the NZ Property Investors’ magazine for an article which is in this months magazine.
    It was shortened down to about 400 words for the magazine, so here it is in full:-

    With $60,000 in cash, there’s quite a lot you could do without too much risk.
    However it does depend a lot though on your strategy, your plan, your own financial intelligence, and how risky you are as an investor.
    Lots of people use risky strategies that will most likely cost them everything in the long run. They try to pick which area to invest in, in other words - what locations they think will go up in value. They invest with assumptions, hopes and wishful thinking, not with logic and common sense.
    It doesn’t even come into my thinking as to what I think will happen with prices, as it has no relevance to me. It only has any relevance if you want, expect, or hope that prices will go up, i.e. strategies that rely on that happening for your plan to work.
    I don’t ever know what’s going to happen, and neither does anybody else know. Also I don’t care if property prices go up, down or stay the same for the next 20 years. My strategy and plan will work in all markets.

    Last year I bought 20 rentals effectively using no money and they were still cashflow positive on 20 year P & I mortgages. So with $60,000 cash there are safe options to use if you have the experience.

    What I would do is look for properties that were suitable as rentals, with yields of 10% or so in locations such as Hawkes Bay, possibly Rotorua, Wainuiomata and maybe Feilding. I know you can get good quality, good location and easy to rent properties in Hawkes Bay with those yields, and I’m pretty sure with some looking around I could find them in those other areas as well. I would rule out Auckland, not because of the 30% deposit rule and the fact you could only buy something up to $300k there if you could still use a 20% deposit, but because the yields are way too low. It doesn’t make sense to buy there and the only reason people do accept such minimal yields, is they think that prices will keep going up. That may or may not happen and I never base investing decisions on what could be. To do so would be very risky, plus you would have to top up the mortgages as well.
    Knowing Hawkes Bay so well, I would look for something I could buy below market value and either, add value to it, or rent as it is. For example, let’s say a property was worth $170k and I bought it for $150k. I would initially borrow $120k (80% of the purchase price). This would use half of the $60k cash ($150k - $120k = $30k). This property would easily rent for $300p.w. and the mortgage on a 20 year P & I loan would be about $180 a week. Rates, insurance and property management would be another $70 a week or so, leaving it cashflow positive by $50 a week (not including any maintenance).
    So, you could use the other $30k to do the same and you would have 2 properties being paid off in full by the tenants in 20 years. You would have a cashflow of about $100 a week, which should more than cover any maintenance.
    What I would do is look for another one asap and do the same. And, because I bought so well, I would look to refinance them as quickly as I could to give me back as much of the initial deposit as I could. As I said last year, I did this on 20 properties and because they were bought so well, I ended up not using any equity at all.
    In this case though, let’s say the first property valued up to $170k. The bank after 3 – 6 months should allow you (or immediately after any renovations etc) to refinance your original loan, providing you get a registered valuation from a valuer that the bank has on their approved list. If it values to say $170k, the bank will let you borrow 80% of that - which is now $136,000. This would cost another $20 or so a week in mortgage payments, but you would still be cashflow positive. You have now used effectively only $14k of your original $60k. ($30k minus the $16k given back by refinancing: - $136k - $120k).
    Using this with the same figures you could buy 4 properties (4 x $14k = $56k). You will now see by buying even better, or having the valuation work more in your favour (valuations can vary hugely!) you may need a lot less equity per property than even this. I would be looking to buy at 20% below what I know I could get them to value to, which would mean I’m not using any of the $60k cash at all, after they are refinanced. You need to allow some for maintenance though, so I think you could comfortably buy 10 properties this way (end result of $6k equity used per property) and be okay.
    With the 20 properties I bought last year, so far the maintenance on these works out to be an average of about $1,000 a month total over the 20 properties.

    To show how it would look using $6k equity each time, it would be something like this: -
    Purchase price $145,000.
    Initial deposit (20%) $29,000.
    Revalue several months later to $174,000.
    Bank will lend 80% of that which is $139k.
    In effect, $6,000 equity used ($145k - $139k).

    One important thing to me is if you do refinance like this, don’t ever refinance them again after that! Let them just sit there with all the mortgages reducing over time until all of them are paid off in full. A common mistake a lot of people make is refinancing their investment properties (and often their own home!) when the market goes up. They use the extra equity to buy more, sometimes refinancing several times and never bringing their debt to equity ratio down. This is a recipe for disaster which has already cost hundreds of investors in New Zealand everything they’ve worked for and built up, by thinking the market always goes up. It doesn’t 

    So in summary, let’s say I ended up buying the 10 rental properties using $6k equity for each, and they all had a market value of say $150k. That would be $1.5 million (10 x $150k properties) worth of property purchased using the initial $60k of equity. The tenants will have paid off all the mortgages after 20 years.
    At that stage any upward movement in prices would have been a bonus - if you did want to sell any of the properties, otherwise you would have around $10k a month in rent after all expenses coming in from 10 freehold rental properties.
    Another way to look at it is this - the original $60,000 cash has been used as leverage using other people’s money and other people’s time to create wealth for you. That’s something you wouldn’t have been able to do if you had to pay off all of the10 properties by yourself, using your own wages/income.
    So, after all the mortgages have been paid off, you’d be getting your original $60,000 you invested back in rent every 6 months, and still have 10 properties!
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    Any property I look at under 250k in a city like hamilton, tauranga is absolute crap. Even in these towns the best yield possible in today's market is 7%.
    Does it mean that we all should come to Hawkes bay. ?
    Houses under 200k are normally occupied by beneficiaries & have risk of high vacancies & expensive maintenance. Something like a newroof may topple the budget all over .

    How do you source your stock orion. ?

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    • #3
      Rocket - have you look for properties in Hawkes Bay or Rotorua?

      I personally don't know anything about Hawkes Bay but have a few in Rotorua all purchased under $250k in great locations and all positive cashflows with long term tenants.

      I think it is smart to vary your investments to more than one city. I enjoyed (and still do) the boom in Auckland and now I am enjoying the property price increases in Hamilton and who knows, maybe soon after Rotorua will increase etc.

      Graeme - Very nice post and a good change from the "buy an Auckland property and prices will keep going up" as I find it a poor advice as not everyone could afford the negative cashflow for too long.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by rocket View Post
        Any property I look at under 250k in a city like hamilton, tauranga is absolute crap. Even in these towns the best yield possible in today's market is 7%.
        Does it mean that we all should come to Hawkes bay. ?
        Houses under 200k are normally occupied by beneficiaries & have risk of high vacancies & expensive maintenance. Something like a newroof may topple the budget all over .

        How do you source your stock orion. ?
        Hi Rocket,

        I would also imagine that any property you look at in Auckland for under $500k would be crap too with yields very low.

        The question was asked as to what each of us would do, so I answered what I would do. Does it mean you should do the same - no.

        If that is your belief about houses under $200k being occupied by beneficiaries, have high vacancies, lots of maintenance with the roof likely to need replacing - well that is what you will find

        For me, it has been the opposite experience, so I guess it's a case of you simply find what you expect to find.
        As mentioned last year I bought 20 and as far I I'm aware I think there has only been 1 or 2 changes in tenancies since the start of last year and the maintenance very low. In the last 2 months or so, I've bought 14 properties around here that are all good rental properties. A couple were bought as trades, some were bought for another investor, and the rest (7) I've held onto as long term buy and holds.
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        • #5
          What a wonderful post Graeme.
          I have been curious for a while, whether you find your properties take a lot of management.
          Could you describe further your tenants?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Eugene View Post
            What a wonderful post Graeme.
            I have been curious for a while, whether you find your properties take a lot of management.
            Could you describe further your tenants?
            Thanks Eugene,
            No they don't take a lot of management at all. One PM manages over 40 of them and the others manage 1 or 2 and another manages about 5 or 6 from memory.
            Describe the tenants? I haven't met the ones that are managed, so have no idea. As long as they keep the property nice and tiday, pay the rent on time as they all do 99% of the time, then they can stay
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            • #7
              Hi Graeme,

              Thanks for the great posts. I always enjoy reading your articles.

              I am a full time investor/trader and am curious what was your starting point for your big year of purchasing, you bought so many in such a short time. The problem I found with increasing my portfolio was serviceability, so I went to trading. How did you overcome serviceability issues? Do you have a business generating income or leveraging off an existing portfolio.

              Thanks

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              • #8
                If I understand correctly, all of Graeme's rentals are positive cashflow. The rental income covers all his outgoing + extra as income. So he won't have problem with serviceability. In fact the more he buys, the easier he can service ...

                And then he also buy well below market price to start with, so he got the equity very quickly to allow him to borrow for the next purchase.

                Of course, Graeme will be able to give you a more correct answer

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                • #9
                  Hi Orion,

                  Thanks for the interesting and thought-provoking post. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the method only works if you're able to find undervalued properties (which I can't imagine would be terribly easy, especially for a novice from Auckland like myself) or if there's short-term equity increases (which you made clear you don't rely on).

                  I have to assume you have some special level of expertise in ascertaining these bargain buys, only that it's difficult to imagine there would be many sellers unaware of current values.

                  Incidentally, what if you had 250k cash? Would you still be looking outside Auckland?

                  Thanks
                  Last edited by Snatch; 11-09-2015, 01:12 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OneStepCloser View Post
                    If I understand correctly, all of Graeme's rentals are positive cashflow. The rental income covers all his outgoing + extra as income. So he won't have problem with serviceability. In fact the more he buys, the easier he can service ...
                    Except that the banks only consider a limited proportion of rent (50-75%) for their servicability calculations. You'd need to have a pretty fantastically positive purchase to increase your servicability overall.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jam_mack View Post
                      Hi Graeme,

                      Thanks for the great posts. I always enjoy reading your articles.

                      I am a full time investor/trader and am curious what was your starting point for your big year of purchasing, you bought so many in such a short time. The problem I found with increasing my portfolio was serviceability, so I went to trading. How did you overcome serviceability issues? Do you have a business generating income or leveraging off an existing portfolio.

                      Thanks
                      Yes I already had a base of 40 properties to start with, however as I talk about in the article it could have been done on $60k equity as well, would have just been slower to do.

                      Trading is a good way if you know what you are doing to generate cash as you say.

                      No, serviceability is not an issue at all as the rents cover expenses and management. Banks take 75% approx. of rent, so that's what it works out to be around anyway by the time you take off rates, insurance and management.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by OneStepCloser View Post
                        If I understand correctly, all of Graeme's rentals are positive cashflow. The rental income covers all his outgoing + extra as income. So he won't have problem with serviceability. In fact the more he buys, the easier he can service ...

                        And then he also buy well below market price to start with, so he got the equity very quickly to allow him to borrow for the next purchase.

                        Of course, Graeme will be able to give you a more correct answer
                        The ones last year, it all works out about neutral as far as the bank sees it. The only extra is maintenance which has worked out so far to be about $1k a month in total for the 20 properties.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Snatch View Post
                          Hi Orion,

                          Thanks for the interesting and thought-provoking post. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the method only works if you're able to find undervalued properties (which I can't imagine would be terribly easy, especially for a novice from Auckland like myself) or if there's short-term equity increases (which you made clear you don't rely on).

                          I have to assume you have some special level of expertise in ascertaining these bargain buys, only that it's difficult to imagine there would be many sellers unaware of current values.

                          Incidentally, what if you had 250k cash? Would you still be looking outside Auckland?

                          Thanks

                          Well it does help if you get them under market value of course and they all were, some a lot more than others.
                          I will give you a bit of an article in here I wrote on values and it will show in 2 examples what various values mean. The bank usually will favour a registered valuation above any other, but that doesn’t mean it is accurate


                          Property 1: -

                          a) Purchase price (including reno) $110,000
                          b) RV, GV, CV $122,000
                          c) E-Value $140,000
                          d) Registered Valuation $175,000
                          e) Market Value $150,000 - $155,000


                          Property 2:-
                          a) Purchase price $134,500
                          b) RV, GV, CV $114,000
                          c) E – Value $107,000
                          d) Registered Valuation $160,000
                          e) Market Value $145,000 - $150,000


                          $250k equity/cash – yes I would still be looking in the same areas I mentioned.
                          Auckland to me doesn’t make any sense at all.
                          There is no point in buying properties that give you a 4 – 5% yield, use interest only loans so you aren’t negatively geared as much, then hope prices will keep going up.
                          That’s just too much risk for me, I would rather have money in the bank than do that.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Anthonyacat View Post
                            Except that the banks only consider a limited proportion of rent (50-75%) for their servicability calculations. You'd need to have a pretty fantastically positive purchase to increase your servicability overall.
                            Usually 75% of rent they take which is fairly accurate as mentioned above. Take out rates and insurance, a bit for maintenance and also property management and you will have approx. 75% of rent left.
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                            • #15
                              Great strategy.

                              I've read your book (first edition published early 2000s) and what caught my attention was a story of a young wellington investor who branched out into palmerston north and regreted it (selling the PN place) because his wellington properties between 1997-2002 were going up in value a lot but the PN property was not, even though it yielded better. His strategy seemed the more common 'cap growth' based. In 2002 he mentioned prices had already risen too far to fast in Wellington and he was finding it much harder to find positive/neutrally geared rentals, think he mentioned it would take him longer to make 1 mill starting off at 2002 than in mid 1990s!

                              We all know what happened between 2002-2007, he must have been kicking himself not to have kept the PN place (and to have not kept investing based on yields buying more high yielding places outside of wellington) as prices doubled in that time. Shows how tempting it is to focus on cap gains, and particularly looking at them in the rear view mirror and forget the true value of any asset is more linked to the income it produces than anything else.

                              I'd stick to highbury/awapuni in PN over feilding though, can get some good yields there still if buying under value (new bridge to massey will mean southern PN will be more popular with students too which will drive up rents for the whole area as they soak up rentals), tends to be a bit of a long term population drift from Feilding to PN as more jobs/education facilities there. Not a lot of listings though so good buys few and far between.
                              Last edited by marklowes; 11-09-2015, 10:30 AM.

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