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    House prices falling, says QV

    NZPA Last updated 05:00 10/06/2010

    Residential property prices are falling, with QV figures showing that in May for the first time in 14 months the annual change in values was lower than a month earlier.
    Values were 5.6 percent above the same time last year, the first decline in the annual change since March 2009, having fallen back from the 6.1 percent reported for April.
    According to QV residential property indices, values are now 4.1 percent below the market peak of late 2007, down from the 3.9 percent reported a month earlier.
    QV.co.nz research director Jonno Ingerson said that at this time last year values were starting to rise again after reaching their low in April 2009, continuing to increase until Christmas before flattening for the first few months of this year and now starting to decline slightly.
    "As a result the gap between values this year and last year is closing, and will continue to close further over the coming months," Mr Ingerson said.
    The national average sales price for the three months to May also slipped to $403,070 from $405,235 in April.
    "The supply and demand balance is quite different now compared to last year. In the second half of 2009 consumer confidence was returning after the recession and this flowed into the property market. Enthusiastic buyers were competing over a relatively short supply of properties and as a result prices were pushed up," Mr Ingerson said.
    In the early months of this year more properties came onto the market, while buyer confidence wavered as pre-budget announcements and talk of rising interest rates put uncertainty into the minds of both investors and homeowners.
    "The resulting increase in properties for sale combined with less demand has subsequently begun to push prices down."
    Low activity levels in the past few months were partly due to buyers waiting for the budget announcement on May 20, Mr Ingerson said.
    With the various tax changes still some time away, any effects were likely to take some time to flow into the market.
    So far, there was little evidence of a change in buyer or seller sentiment with QV valuers reporting no increase in the number of inquiries. As a result QV expected that sales volumes would remain static during winter.
    While the changes to tax treatment of investment property may have some downward affect on the lower value end of the market in some areas, the changes were unlikely to cause prices to drop across the board.
    Instead, QV expected a general lack of buyer confidence and low sales turnover to continue to put downward pressure on prices in the short term.
    Values in all main centres flattened or declined in recent months.
    Across the Auckland area values were 8.8 percent above last year, back from the 9.5 percent reported last month. Hamilton values dropped to 1.7 percent above last year, Tauranga to 0.4 percent, and the Wellington area to 6 percent.
    In Christchurch values dropped back slightly to be 6.2 percent above last year, and a further decline in Dunedin saw the annual change drop to 4.8 percent compared to last year.

    Residential property prices are falling, with QV figures showing that in May for the first time in 14 months the annual change in values was lower than a month earlier.Values were 5.6 percent above the same time last year, the first decline in the annual change since March 2009, having fallen back from the 6.1 percent reported for April.According to QV residential property indices, values are now 4.1 percent below the market peak of late 2007, down from the 3.9 percent reported a month earlier.QV.co.nz research director Jonno Ingerson said that at this time last year values were starting to rise again after reaching their low in April 2009, continuing to increase until Christmas before flattening for the first few months of this year and now starting to decline slightly."As a result the gap between values this year and last year is closing, and will continue to close further over the coming months," Mr Ingerson said.The national average sales price for the three months to May also slipped to $403,070 from $405,235 in April."The supply and demand balance is quite different now compared to last year. In the second half of 2009 consumer confidence was returning after the recession and this flowed into the property market. Enthusiastic buyers were competing over a relatively short supply of properties and as a result prices were pushed up," Mr Ingerson said.In the early months of this year more properties came onto the market, while buyer confidence wavered as pre-budget announcements and talk of rising interest rates put uncertainty into the minds of both investors and homeowners."The resulting increase in properties for sale combined with less demand has subsequently begun to push prices down."Low activity levels in the past few months were partly due to buyers waiting for the budget announcement on May 20, Mr Ingerson said.With the various tax changes still some time away, any effects were likely to take some time to flow into the market.So far, there was little evidence of a change in buyer or seller sentiment with QV valuers reporting no increase in the number of inquiries. As a result QV expected that sales volumes would remain static during winter.While the changes to tax treatment of investment property may have some downward affect on the lower value end of the market in some areas, the changes were unlikely to cause prices to drop across the board.Instead, QV expected a general lack of buyer confidence and low sales turnover to continue to put downward pressure on prices in the short term.Values in all main centres flattened or declined in recent months.Across the Auckland area values were 8.8 percent above last year, back from the 9.5 percent reported last month. Hamilton values dropped to 1.7 percent above last year, Tauranga to 0.4 percent, and the Wellington area to 6 percent.
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    No matter what they say – under the current system, it is impossible to judge whether real values are falling or rising.

    As long as local governments are arbitrarily allowed to set the price for land and home – regardless of actual purchase price then real home values will remain masked.

    Rates should be based on the last purchase price and nothing else. Land that a home is sitting on should not be considered a separate appreciating or depreciating item. Land that a home sits on should be considered part and parcel of the single package and rates should be based solely on the single entity. Comparable sale prices of homes in the surrounding neighborhood can also be used as a guide for rates.

    The existing system masks true home values and encourages local governments to increase their tax base by crediting false (higher) values to homes. The current practice is deceptive to investors, lenders and home owners. It adds injury the New Zealand economy and needs to be changed.

    Last edited by fatfishandchipman; 10-06-2010, 03:02 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by fatfishandchipman View Post
      The existing system masks true home values and encourages local governments to increase their tax base by crediting false (higher) values to homes. The current practice is deceptive to investors, lenders and home owners. It adds injury the New Zealand economy and needs to be changed.
      Are you deluded or just a troll?

      A higher rating valuation does not necessarily mean an increase in rates. If all RVs went up by 1000% there would be 0 increase in the tax base.

      The rating valuation ONLY determines your share of the overall rates burden. It does NOT have ANY impact on the total tax base.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by graemeh View Post
        The rating valuation ONLY determines your share of the overall rates burden. It does NOT have ANY impact on the total tax base.
        Exactly, and this is often misunderstood. One would think that at least property investors would get it right, but no.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rolf View Post
          Exactly, and this is often misunderstood. One would think that at least property investors would get it right, but no.
          I expect that some property investors also aspire to pay off their bank loans so they can own their property "freehold" too

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rolf View Post
            Exactly, and this is often misunderstood. One would think that at least property investors would get it right, but no.
            fatfishandchipman is not a property investor.
            Originally posted by graemeh
            Are you deluded or just a troll?
            A more accurate description.

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            • #7
              And QV's sales stats have nothing to do with rating valuations.

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              • #8
                "Rates should be based on the last purchase price and nothing else."

                i'll say it again louder then gran

                AS GRANDAD BOUGHT THIS VILLA IN PONSONBY FOR 350pounds IN 1943 YOUR RATES THIS YEAR ARE 2pound 3shillings, thrupence

                I'VE GOT IT FROM THE OLD TIN UNDER THE FLOORBOARD, LET'S SEND IT OFF TO THE NICE MAN AT COUNCIL AND THEN GET A NEW BATTERY FOR YOUR HEARING AID
                have you defeated them?
                your demons

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                • #9
                  So, you people are actually saying that if you woke up tomorrow morning and discovered that your GV was somehow magically doubled, your local Council wouldn’t consider raising rates?

                  When I look for the definition of naïve – I must looking at you.

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                  • #10
                    @ fatfishandchipman

                    Do you work in local government (now or previously) or have any experience in the actual setting of council rates?
                    Comments may not be relevant to individual circumstances. Before making any investment, financial or taxation decision you should consult a professional adviser.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fatfishandchipman View Post
                      So, you people are actually saying that if you woke up tomorrow morning and discovered that your GV was somehow magically doubled, your local Council wouldn’t consider raising rates?

                      When I look for the definition of naïve – I must looking at you.
                      Only if everybody else's GV stayed the same (and then yes your rates would double).

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                      • #12
                        Further to Greame

                        I'm not sure what fatfishandchipman's experience setting rates is, but the way it was done when I used to be involved with it is summarised below.

                        Something I have posted before -

                        Rates 101 -

                        A council's desire is to raise a given sum of money. The total amount they raise is limited by central government - so a Council just can't double their total rates take in a year.

                        To raise those funds they levy a tax (a "rate") on the value (be it land value, capital value, whatever) of the properties within their area.

                        The actual "rate" (which is a "rate in the dollar") is determined by what is known as a "rates strike" - where the rates staff at council say "ok we need to raise $100m and we have $1.0bn in ratebable values" so the rate in the dollar is struck at 10c.

                        To give you an example of what you could expect over time, see below a very simple example -

                        Year / total rates / rateable value / rate in the dollar
                        Year 1 / $100m / $1.0bn / $0.10 (new vals)
                        Year 2 / $105m / $1.0bn / $0.105
                        Year 3 / $110m / $1.0bn / $0.11
                        Year 4 / $115m / $1.25bn / $0.092 (new vals)
                        Year 5 / $120m / $1.25bn / $0.096
                        ...and so on

                        Every year a new rate in the dollar is struck based on the total amount to be raised divided by the rateable value of the properties in the council's jurisdiction. Once every three years new valuations are thrown into the mix.

                        When the new valuations come through those that pay proportionately more in rates are those whose valuations have increased more than average. If your valuation is up by less than the average, then, other things being equal, you're relatively better off.

                        In this example, I've done a simple $5m increase in the total rates strike each year.

                        Note also, that some councils use what is known as differential rates (a more complex of levying rates based on land / building use) whereby some ratepayers pay a multiple (a differential) over the standard rate in the dollar (eg. 1.5 times, or 2.5 times). Where this occurs it obviously increases the rates paid on affected properties (and decreases the rates paid on non-affected properties).

                        For a given rates strike it is always a zero sum game (ie. if someone is paying more - someone else is paying less [and vice-versa]).
                        Last edited by Mark_B; 11-06-2010, 04:06 PM.
                        Comments may not be relevant to individual circumstances. Before making any investment, financial or taxation decision you should consult a professional adviser.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by fatfishandchipman View Post
                          So, you people are actually saying that if you woke up tomorrow morning and discovered that your GV was somehow magically doubled, your local Council wouldn’t consider raising rates?

                          When I look for the definition of naïve – I must looking at you.
                          Are you deliberately misinterpreting the way ratings are calculated?
                          Or do you really have no idea how rates work?

                          I don't mind you being clever or funny but if you just want to act dumb then there's no point in talking to you.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by muppet View Post
                            House prices falling, says QV

                            NZPA Last updated 05:00 10/06/2010

                            Residential property prices are falling, with QV figures showing that in May for the first time in 14 months the annual change in values was lower than a month earlier.
                            Values were 5.6 percent above the same time last year, the first decline in the annual change since March 2009, having fallen back from the 6.1 percent reported for April.
                            Is it just me or are May 2010 values 5.6% above May 2009. Just because April had increased by more, doesn't mean that House prices are falling. I absolutely hate headings and articles like this that twist statistics to get the reporters agenda across.

                            Looking later in the article May figures were slightly down on April, but you can't really look at month by month, as it's too short a period to give a true indication or trend.

                            I can't seem to access the reinz site at the second, but I seem to remember that their information shows a higher median sale price now than in the peak of Nov 2007. I understand that QV adjusts for inflation and other figures, but I don't care if a property increases in value through inflation or otherwise. If the bank owns a large portion of the property, then inflation is great, because an investor makes money of the banks money!

                            Ross
                            Last edited by revdev; 13-06-2010, 06:25 PM. Reason: clarity
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rosco View Post
                              Is it just me or are May 2010 values 5.6% above May 2009. Just because April had increased by more, doesn't mean that House prices are falling. I absolutely hate headings and articles like this that twist statistics to get the reporters agenda across.
                              Ross
                              It's not you, Rosco.
                              It's a dumb-arse reporter.
                              Prices went up so the reporter wrote "House prices falling".

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