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    Bernard Hickey: Stick to floating if you still want toast and coffee

    By Bernard Hickey
    4:00 AM Sunday Jun 6, 2010
    The coffee and the toast may well survive the weekend. Photo / The Aucklander


    It's quite possible this time next week when you sit down to read this paper with a cup of coffee and toast that you'll be asking yourself whether you can still afford the coffee and toast.
    If you have a floating rate mortgage by next Sunday your bank may have increased the rate by 25 basis points to around 5.9 per cent. That will cost anyone with a $200,000 mortgage an extra $10 a week.
    That's because the Reserve Bank is widely expected to increase the Official Cash Rate (OCR) from 2.5 per cent to 2.75 per cent this coming Thursday to start withdrawing some of the monetary stimulus being pumped into an economy well into its recovery phase.
    Reserve Bank Governor Alan Bollard has rightly described himself as a truck driver who wants to take his foot off the accelerator before the economic truck barrels too quickly into the upcoming corner of higher inflation.
    In previous tightening cycles the immediate reaction for anyone still on a floating mortgage would be to jump to a fixed mortgage, often a two-year rate, which was usually cheaper anyway.
    But this time it's different. Most two-year mortgage rates are about 7.3 per cent and they are also likely to rise soon after the Reserve Bank puts up the OCR. Anyone jumping to a fixed rate would immediately see their $200,000 mortgage cost them an extra $60 a week.
    Despite it being nearly two years since the worst financial meltdown since the Depression, banking has not gone back to normal.
    Banks are now unwilling or unable to access the "hot" international money they used to offer New Zealanders cheap fixed interest rates.
    Their shareholders aren't keen on such unreliable sources any more and the Reserve Bank is forcing them to raise more of their funding from local and longer-term sources through its Core Funding Ratio regime. This funding is harder and more expensive to get.
    This is one reason the Reserve Bank has repeatedly said coming increases in the OCR will be slower and less severe than in the past. The Core Funding Ratio could be called an engine brake.
    This means floating mortgage rates are likely to stay lower than fixed rates for some time and any increase in floating rates will not be as severe or as fast as in the past. The coffee and the toast may well survive the weekend.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10649951
    "There's one way to find out if a man is honest-ask him. If he says 'yes,' you know he is a crook." Groucho Marx

  • #2
    And from Tony's latest newsletter.
    If I Were a Borrower What Would I Do?
    Still toss a coin between floating the next three, two or one years of fixing. I like certainty however so if
    pressed would probably fix two years knowing nothing I can do will stop me being hit at some stage by high
    floating and later slightly higher fixed rates.
    "There's one way to find out if a man is honest-ask him. If he says 'yes,' you know he is a crook." Groucho Marx

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    • #3
      But if read further in his newsletter, he also has some graphs which show floating are fairly priced and if rate increases are delays, then are cheaper than fixed.

      Given all the stuff happening in Europe, I would bet more that rates will increase slower rather than faster. And if they rise as predicted, the rates are priced correctly but you would have paid down more principle by staying on floating.

      I think this is the second time I have agreed with BH in two weeks (though I have blocked out of my mind what I agreed with him on last time).
      Last edited by Perry; 07-06-2010, 03:35 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by CJ View Post
        But if read further in his newsletter, he also has some graphs which show floating are fairly priced and if rate increases are delays, then are cheaper than fixed.

        Given all the stuff happening in Europe, I would bet more that rates will increase slower rather than faster. And if they rise as predicted, the rates are priced correctly but you would have paid down more principle by staying on floating.

        I think this is the second time I have agreed with BH in two weeks (though I have blocked out of my mind what I agreed with him on last time).
        Lol I was just reading Bernies coffee column while having a coffee myself (work / free).
        And you know what I was thinking, besides the fact that he does look like that guys from Weekend with Bernie, the dead guy I mean !!!
        That maybe he's not so bad after all, and it is nice to have one site with all the rates on one page.

        Then I woke up and smelt the coffee.

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        • #5
          My bet: the OCR will remain unchanged. But if changed, then it should be lowered. The complexity of the OCR vs. Inflation is an interesting animal in New Zealand. Government tax hikes should not be confused with real inflation.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by fatfishandchipman View Post
            My bet: the OCR will remain unchanged. But if changed, then it should be lowered. The complexity of the OCR vs. Inflation is an interesting animal in New Zealand. Government tax hikes should not be confused with real inflation.
            How about this, the OCR goes up but the banks dont change floating rates because of the decreasing cost of overseas funds:-)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dandan View Post
              How about this, the OCR goes up but the banks dont change floating rates because of the decreasing cost of overseas funds:-)

              That would be nice but with the NZD overvalued by at least 0.12 cents then as the NZD falls foreign money becomes more expensive.

              Part of the problem is, I think, being masked by the fact that the government, through GV’s and QV’s are setting house price. What we need is a comprehensive overhaul of how we look at house value. This would definitely be to a banks’ advantage, also too, the investor.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by fatfishandchipman View Post
                That would be nice but with the NZD overvalued by at least 0.12 cents then as the NZD falls foreign money becomes more expensive.

                Part of the problem is, I think, being masked by the fact that the government, through GV’s and QV’s are setting house price. What we need is a comprehensive overhaul of how we look at house value. This would definitely be to a banks’ advantage, also too, the investor.
                How about the cost to build one, intrinsic value ?

                Say a 5 Bedroom 325k GV house in Manukau for example.

                What would it take to build.
                250k land.
                100k council.
                300k build.

                Okay say 650k.

                Okay lets double all the house prices shall we !!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bluekiwi View Post
                  How about the cost to build one, intrinsic value ?

                  Say a 5 Bedroom 325k GV house in Manukau for example.

                  What would it take to build.
                  250k land.
                  100k council.
                  300k build.

                  Okay say 650k.

                  Okay lets double all the house prices shall we !!!

                  In a true market economy no one individual sets the price – only market forces set price.

                  Therefore, your numbers (sadly), are pretty realistic and all they prove is that the New Zealand home has become more and more unaffordable to the average New Zealander. But you should keep in mind that just because it may cost that much to build a new home in New Zealand it does not mean that that new home is actually worth that value. Its true value could be lower or it may be higher – but in truth we will never know as long as Councils can continue to set arbitrary values on land and homes.

                  The true market value is one in where the buyer and the seller set the price.

                  The New Zealand housing bubble is as much about these unknown values as it has been about foolish lending practices and shoddy real-estate investment firms.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dandan View Post
                    How about this, the OCR goes up but the banks dont change floating rates because of the decreasing cost of overseas funds:-)
                    This is why that wont happen dandan:
                    a) core funding ratio - banks have to source a greater and greater percentage from local deposits
                    b) have you not been watching the news - PIIGS? Europe is going into meltdown because of the high levels of debt of those countries. Spreads are going through the roof. Our levels of debt are very similar to Spain and Portugals. There is only one way our interest rate is going...

                    I worry that so many of you property investors are financially and economically illiterate. So many of you will be bankrupt in 18 months.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by maxim View Post
                      I worry that so many of you property investors are financially and economically illiterate. So many of you will be bankrupt in 18 months.
                      And house prices will drop 70%.....
                      Welcome aboard, maxim.
                      I suspect we'll enjoy your company over the next year or so.

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                      • #12
                        thanks bob, I will be reading these boards with interest - it is such a contrast to the interest.co.nz boards its not funny. never the twain shall meet. I have to say that the guys over at interest seem a bit more intelligent and understand the economics behind a bubble. The investors here are just so blinkered. You got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them as they say. A lot of the guys here are going to hold their cards no matter how bad it gets which just doesn't make sense to me.

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                        • #13
                          What a spectacularly rude debut Maxim. Do you often find you spend christmas alone?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Asterix View Post
                            What a spectacularly rude debut Maxim. Do you often find you spend christmas alone?
                            Now this is what I was expecting.
                            Every village should have an idiot and we now have maxim.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by maxim View Post
                              Our levels of debt are very similar to Spain and Portugals.
                              Hi Maxim. Please explain this statement - what levels of debt are you comparing? vs GDP, Net Debt, predicted debt?

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