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    Bach owners could be hit with levy, says Dunne

    By MARTIN KAY Last updated 05:00 22/01/2010

    Bach owners could face annual levies on their weekend getaways under a proposal to tax second properties.
    Revenue Minister Peter Dunne said it was possible holiday homes could be subjected to a recommended tax on non-family-home properties, but stressed the Government had yet to decide whether to introduce any such tax in the first place.
    It was also possible bachs and holiday homes could be exempted unless they were available for rent. "It's an area, obviously, where we'd need to have some discussion on the detail of it, but my understanding originally was it would apply to them as a second property, but then it depends on what the use of it is, I suppose."
    A tax on second properties was recommended by the tax working group, but member John Shewan, a tax expert with PricewaterhouseCoopers, said it was accepted "lifestyle" properties would likely be exempted. "We say that in principle [the tax] could be applied to residential houses and bachs, but we would not be recommending that because it was clearly, politically, not going to be acceptable and also those kind of properties ... are lifestyle assets rather than investment assets."
    However, he said it would be appropriate for bachs to be subject to the tax if they were available for rent. "To the extent that people are renting out holiday homes, then one of the questions would be whether that becomes a rental property or not."
    The group has recommended a flat tax on second properties based on the owner's equity as one way to broaden the tax base, allowing income tax cuts to ease the burden on workers. The tax, known as a risk-free rate of return method, assumes a set return on the equity in a property, which is then taxed at the top income tax rate applicable to the owner. A land tax payable by all property owners has also been advocated.
    Property Investors' Federation vice-president Andrew King branded the proposals an orchestrated attack on landlords which would drive many out of the market and affect 1.4 million tenants.

    Bach owners could face annual levies on their weekend getaways under a proposal to tax second properties.
    "There's one way to find out if a man is honest-ask him. If he says 'yes,' you know he is a crook." Groucho Marx

  • #2
    Attacking the Bach will really attack Nationals core voter.

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    • #3
      I don't quite follow. If it's available to rent then it'll attract a tax, regardless whether it's rented full time (like any other rental) or part-time to weekend holiday-makers?

      But if it's not rented out at all (i.e. a life-style asset) then it'll be exempt?

      So I throw out my permie tenant in my holiday home and am exempt. What am I missing?

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      • #4
        What if you let your holiday home to family/friends on an "at cost" basis just to cover the outgoings? That's hardly an investment asset, is it?

        Ridiculous.

        In fact, if it were a Labout Govt, I'd have thought the alternative would be better. Tax non-rented baches more so. It's a luxury item, not available for rent. They can afford it.

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        • #5
          Cash tenants only.

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          • #6
            Well that's great. How to instantly cut the number of baches being rented out. I like being able to rent someone else's bach.

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            • #7
              Seriously though, that is one odd exemption, isn't it? Place an extra tax burden on those "hard working NZ'ers" who have saved and bought themselves a beach place for their families to enjoy (part-paid by the odd holiday let), but those that can afford to run a 2nd home without tenants (as a pure luxury) get no additional burden. I see the pure Tory jumping for joy over that one.

              I doubt it would apply to the proposed "land tax" though.

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              • #8
                I think the issue here is that many bach owners have jetskis, which they use to show off the fact that they own a batch and a um jetski, and they make a terrible racket, are constantly screaming towards people having a lesiurly swin, disturbing the peace and quiet of the non-jetsking/batch owning folk, the tax should be made on jet skis instead

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                • #9
                  Oi! Tax my jetski you bastard, and you'll be wanting to tax my infinity pool on the beach front. What next? My helipad?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by k1w1 View Post
                    I don't quite follow. If it's available to rent then it'll attract a tax, regardless whether it's rented full time (like any other rental) or part-time to weekend holiday-makers?

                    But if it's not rented out at all (i.e. a life-style asset) then it'll be exempt?

                    So I throw out my permie tenant in my holiday home and am exempt. What am I missing?
                    I think you are confusing two different taxes. A land tax would apply to non-owner occupied property such as a tenanted crib (bach). However if the crib was solely used by the family, it would be owner-occupied and thus exempt from land tax.

                    A tenanted crib would yield income - and income tax liability. If you evicted your tenant you would also eviscerate your bank account. Yes, you'd save on land tax but I doubt that would make up for the lost rent, so overall I don't see the land tax or the proposed exemption changing peoples behaviour.

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                    • #11
                      It depends, Winston. For those who have a bach (cribs are for babies) where family/friends/contacts rent the property for a meagre amount that covers the outgoings only, your theory may not hold water. So either the owner (if he is to remain honest) stops all rentals or rents it for free, then he may well save more than the land tax.

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                      • #12
                        Over the holidays, Winston, I ran some numbers. I tented in the Far North (the same location as my bach). If you add up the costs of that holiday (site fee + dog kennel) and compare to the lost income (but much less maintenance) if we kept the house empty and used it for our holidays (not to mention savings by holidays taken mid-year) then we are about $500 up annually by having the place permie rented.

                        That's a pretty fine line. Throw additional tax in there against that $500, and I may seriously decide that I'll have the house back.

                        All up, not a very positive move for the wider wellbeing of the country if lots of people do similar. It will increase rents, mind, so maybe I should sit it out and wait for the other LLs to jump first.

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                        • #13
                          There's already a tax on such things.
                          It's called GST. Had you missed it?
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                          • #14
                            So, I own a bit of land (no building) and go there with my tent/caravan at times.

                            Where do I stand then?
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                            • #15
                              Only fair, one rule to rule then all! If you earn income you pay tax simple.

                              This is a great little initiative that will be a right stinker and lose votes with any luck.

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