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  • I think you are right.
    Bring in a weak currency, country will be so cheap to visit.
    Tourism will boom, things might start happening.

    Of course, they could also start paying proper tax's and nail the public sector waste.


    • Originally posted by eri View Post
      the greeks were the first with democracy

      and the first to find out

      that democratically elected leaders

      eventually bankrupt the future

      bribing the present

      gov. need some form of

      externally audited


      10? year book balancing


      you are

      young eri

      of course


      • Originally posted by Bluekiwi View Post
        Of course, they could also start paying proper tax's and nail the public sector waste.
        That would really help!


        • Originally posted by Bluekiwi View Post
          ... nail the public sector waste.
          that'd help

          auckland council too

          but they won't go there

          1 man's waste

          is another man's pension plan
          have you defeated them?
          your demons


          • Did this get quoted earlier? I can't remember.
            Lifespan of a Democracy and it's downfall

            In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh,
            had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

            "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
            form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
            discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From
            that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most
            benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally col-
            lapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

            "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history,
            has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed
            through the following sequence:

            From bondage to spiritual faith;
            From spiritual faith to great courage;
            From courage to liberty;
            From liberty to abundance;
            From abundance to complacency;
            From complacency to apathy;
            From apathy to dependence;
            From dependence back into bondage."
            Where others go, it seems that NZ must follow.


            • Originally posted by Perry View Post
              Did this get quoted earlier? I can't remember.

              Where others go, it seems that NZ must follow.
              Which step do you think we are at?


              • I pondered that very point, as I posted the item, wondering
                which brave soul would make a prediction. In, or somewhere
                between one of the last three is my guess.


                • If I really cared I'd pick
                  From complacency to apathy;
                  but quite honestly I just can't be bothered.


                  • Japanese real estate peaked in 1991

                    and the study points out that by 2012

                    the nominal value of real estate was about half of its 1991 level.

                    A house price and credit bubble crash, "can sink the economy for several years running

                    so that even by year five the economy is still operating below the level at the start of the recession".

                    Spain and Ireland since 2009 are clear recent examples

                    have you defeated them?
                    your demons


                    • Originally posted by eri View Post
                      Japanese real estate peaked in 1991

                      and the study points out that by 2012

                      the nominal value of real estate was about half of its 1991 level.
                      If they had forums back in 1991 I bet they would have said that this will last forever - it is the new norm.


                      • "That said, the balance of risks around our forecast is becoming more skewed to the downside," Toplis said.

                        "Indeed, so much so that it is not hard to envisage a scenario where a recession becomes imminent."

                        While not BNZ's central scenario, Toplis said it was easy to see such a series of events tipping the economic balance.

                        "And we haven't even talked about the possibility of an adverse global economic shock such as the potential for flow-on impacts of a Greek implosion; a financial crisis in China [and] soaring global interest rates as the [US] Federal Reserve begins to tighten ..."

                        Last edited by eri; 03-07-2015, 10:18 PM.
                        have you defeated them?
                        your demons


                        • “The first thing to say is, the accounts do show that Australia is in a recession.
                          The most important thing about that is that this is a recession that Australia had to have
                          - Treasurer Paul Keating November 1990.”


                          • That would be exciting

                            China’s ruling Communist Party has made it clear that it has a mortal enemy: social unrest.
                            “We’re seeing it deflating quite rapidly.”

                            When that happens, these two separate ideas — investing in the stocks and social unrest — could come together and turn China’s Shanghai Composite dream into a nightmare.


                            • Once China goes into recession Auckland property could be in trouble...


                              • Chinese property buyers hit Japan’s shores, pushing up prices

                                Meanwhile, the buying spree continue...in Japan's shores

                                Chinese property buyers hit Japan’s shores, pushing up prices

                                TOKYO — The trend has already hit Sydney, Vancouver and the United States. Now it is happening in Japan: Busloads of real estate buyers from China coming in, buying up homes and pushing prices higher.

                                Realty agencies in Beijing are organising twice-monthly tours to Tokyo and Osaka, where 40 Chinese at a time come for three-day property-shopping trips, seeking safe places to invest their cash abroad.

                                They are being prompted by the yen’s decline to 22-year lows and excitement over the 2020 Tokyo Olympics driving up prices, as they did in Beijing in 2008. Property tours will soon start from Shanghai too.

                                Partly as a result of nascent Chinese buying, Tokyo apartment prices have reached the highest levels since the early 1990s, up 11 per cent over two years, according to the Real Estate Economic Institute.

                                “The demand is like water exploding up from a well,” said Mr Zhou Yinan, an Osaka-based agent at Chinese brokerage SouFun Holdings, who said his mainland buyers are about 20 per cent more numerous than at this time last year.

                                “The Chinese buyers had mainly been from Taiwan until last year, but that trend reversed since October as the yen weakened against the yuan.”

                                Thousands more mainland Chinese are coming on their own, hitting real estate agencies in Tokyo’s Ikebukuro Chinatown district, where classified advertisements, including properties for sale, are seen piled up in free Chinese newspapers outside a Chinese supermarket that sells frozen dumplings and spicy sauces.

                                PAYING CASH

                                “There are so many Chinese buyers recently,” said Ms Song Zhiyan, a broker at BestOne Co realty in Ikebukuro, who uses the messaging application WeChat to reach thousands of potential customers in China, who can then fly to town to complete purchases. “I work only with clients who can pay cash. Why waste everyone’s time?”

                                She tells them to hurry. Properties are gone so fast that those who try to negotiate the price find them already sold. Her transaction volume exclusively for mainlanders buying in Tokyo has tripled over the past six months, she said.

                                Demand is so strong that some developers have put a quota on the number of new apartments sold to foreigners, said Mr Kenny Ho, Tokyo-based managing director at Sinyi Realty, a Taiwanese brokerage with outlets in Japan.

                                Some developers will not sell more than 20 per cent of total units to foreigners, he said, declining to name the developers.

                                “Japan has its own way of doing things,” he said. “Some people feel that if there are too many foreigners, that may affect the quality of the living environment.”

                                Japan’s sluggish economy caused price gains in Tokyo to trail those in other urban centres such as New York, London and Hong Kong since the 2008 global credit crisis. Buying from China, which created about a million millionaires last year, according to the Boston Consulting Group, has the potential to quickly change the dynamics of local property markets.

                                In the US, buyers from China, Hong Kong and Taiwan spent US$28.6 billion (S$38.5 billion) on homes in the 12 months through March, becoming the largest group of foreign homebuyers for the first time, according to an annual report by the National Association of Realtors.

                                The Chinese already buy almost a quarter of new homes in Sydney, and their outlay will more than double to A$60 billion (S$61 billion) in the six years to 2020, Credit Suisse Group estimates.

                                HIGHER YIELDS

                                In Japan, sales at Sinyi Realty to Chinese and Taiwanese buyers jumped 70 per cent in the first three months of the year from the year-earlier period, or ¥11.1 billion (S$122 million). For every 100 new apartments sold, about 10 to 15 are to foreigners from other parts of Asia, according to Sinyi.

                                “I wouldn’t find a deal like this in China,” said Ms Lin Huan, a 35-year programmer from China’s north-east Liaoning province who, with help from her parents, bought a three-bedroom flat in the Shinbashi area of Tokyo for investment, paying the equivalent of US$203,000. After recently relocating to Tokyo to work for an technology company, she noticed the weaker yen was making properties cheaper. She expects to make a 5 per cent return on the rent annually, whereas property in Beijing yields just 2 per cent.

                                Chinese buyers are typically purchasing in the 1 million yuan to 2 million yuan bracket, a range “tolerable to many Chinese”, said Gui Liangjing, SouFun’s international sales director in Beijing.

                                It is not as tolerable to the Japanese. Prices in Tokyo have become “seriously unaffordable”, the annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey showed.

                                The percentage of Japanese in the seven biggest cities who wanted to buy a home dropped to 15.4 per cent in December, the lowest level since Recruit Sumai started surveying two years ago. Though the figure rose to 18 per cent in March, those who planned to “take action” by looking or buying declined, the survey showed.

                                Still, prices are lower than in comparable global cities. The average price of a three-bedroom apartment in Tokyo’s 23 wards and surrounding prefectures in April was ¥53.1 million, according to the Real Estate Economic Institute.

                                It is HK$8.4 million for a 600 sq ft apartment on Hong Kong Island, according to calculations based on government records, and US$554,200 for homes in New York, according to Zillow Inc.

                                “Prices have risen while incomes and rents remain the same,” said Mr Tomohiko Taniyama, a senior researcher at Nomura Research Institute. “No regular salaryman will find apartments cheap in Tokyo.”

                                While the home-price-to-income ratio, or the cost of a home relative to a buyer’s average annual income, rose to more than 10 times in Tokyo last year, according to property appraisal company Tokyo Kantei, it is still below the 18 times it reached during the bubble era in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

                                Homes are unlikely to become more affordable, with the yen’s 41 per cent decline over two-and-a-half years and with Japan’s higher investment yields compared with some major cities abroad propelling foreigners to buy.

                                While Japan remains small by total transaction value compared with the US, Canada and Australia, it is “comparable” to those markets in terms of the number of clients seeking deals, said Gui of SouFun realty.

                                “Properties in Tokyo are cheap and the returns are relatively high,” said Mr Taniyama.

                                “The quality of buildings is high while investment opportunities are abundant, unlike Singapore or Hong Kong where the number of available properties is limited. In that sense, Tokyo is one of the best destinations for investment.”

                                BLOOMBERG (Source: TODAY)
                                Last edited by chrisgoh; 04-07-2015, 03:10 PM.