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    Collapsing values hit home
    5:00AM Sunday August 10, 2008
    By Andrea Milner
    Inner-city Auckland apartments bought as an investment last year are among those that have lost the most value. Photo / Chris Skelton

    Inner-city Auckland apartments bought as an investment last year are among those that have lost the most value. Photo / Chris Skelton

    The housing crash is plunging more homeowners into negative equity, with their mortgage debt exceeding the value of their property.

    Falling values mean New Zealanders who bought property from mid-2006 to the end of last year will be in negative equity now if they put in a deposit of 15 per cent or less, says Chris Eves, property professor at Lincoln University in Christchurch.

    This is the most significant scale on which negative equity has struck the country. In previous downturns, those who were caught with negative equity tended to be developers and larger players.

    "What we're seeing this time is a lot more mums and dads being hit," says Eves.

    "What's changed in this cycle is the number of New Zealanders who have an investment property compared with the number in the last downturn. That percentage has increased significantly."

    While there is a lack of data publicly available on the number of New Zealand homeowners in negative equity, it is likely to match the proportion in Britain, which is experiencing a comparable housing slump.

    British house prices are down 11.1 per cent from their peak last August, while Barfoot & Thompson figures for July in Auckland, out last week, show its average house price was also down 11.1 per cent from its peak in December last year.

    Commentators in both countries are predicting further price drops of as much as 35 per cent. Standard & Poor's analysts say one in seven British homeowners could be in negative equity by next year.

    Eves forecasts that, overall, New Zealand house values will slump by 20 per cent - but in more exposed markets, such as investment property, he predicts drops of up to 35 per cent.

    More than 60 per cent of those who borrowed money to buy an investment property in the past two to three years using equity in their own home as a deposit will have negative equity in the rental property.

    Most of that money went into the apartment market, which is taking the biggest hit now, with these investors facing considerable losses.

    Eves points to small apartments in inner-city areas bought by investors last year as falling in value the most.

    He says these buyers have typically borrowed 100 per cent of the purchase price, using their homes as security.

    "They are looking at losses in equity of 20-30 per cent, so they are definitely in negative-equity positions."

    But the problem spans the spectrum of the property market - from low to high end.

    Meta Mortgages' Mark Jurgeleit says many ordinary investors around the country are now looking at negative equity in properties they haven't even settled on yet.

    Those who bought properties off the plan before the market crashed - often through property marketing companies - must now settle on properties valued at 20-30 per cent less than they sold for before they were built.

    "The reality is they will soon have to borrow and hand over money for a property that is worth up to $100,000 less on settlement than they paid," says Jurgeleit.

    He says "dubious" marketing was used to take advantage of "naive, unsuspecting people, taking hard-working mums and dads back 20 years because they trusted in supposedly 'independent' valuations commissioned by developers or marketers".

    In some cases, property marketing companies led buyers to believe they would arrange for the property to be on-sold before they would have to settle the purchase.

    Loose lending criteria by banks during the boom have contributed to the amplified scale of the problem. When prices rise as quickly as they have in the past five years, lending criteria is then stretched.

    Lending practices have tightened again but Eves says this is a "horse has bolted" approach, although he acknowledges looser lending was driven by market competition.

    "Finance companies were quite happy to lend 100 per cent," he says. "They were quite happy for second mortgages and in a way that drove more traditional lenders to take more risk to compete.

    "The finance companies were the ones with the less stringent lending policies than the banks, so they have more exposure to negative equity."

    Second-tier lenders took on the borrowers unable to get finance from traditional lenders, and those people are at the greatest risk from negative equity.

    "They're the ones we're seeing going down now. It's higher-cost lending anyway, and as these finance companies are wound up, anyone who's borrowed through them may have their mortgage called up."

    For those who have borrowed only for their own home, provided they are able to meet their repayments and are not forced to sell, Eves says the bank "won't want to know" about negative equity.

    But being in negative equity has practical consequences if they default on repayments and the bank decides to force the issue.

    "If they have a negatively geared investment property and they can't meet repayments, that's where they'll suffer," says Eves.

    "People may have to downsize their homes and use the equity to pay out the investment property."

    He foresees banks soon requiring those buying investment properties to put up 20 per cent deposits - even though they have equity in their own home.

    "That is something that definitely was not on the books six to 12 months ago."

    Then, banks were allowing those with equity in their own homes to borrow 110 per cent on their investment property purchases to cover legal and other associated costs.

    Another consequence of plummeting property prices is that it will become difficult for those rolling off fixed-term mortgages to refinance with another lender - or even their existing one - because they will be required to provide valuations, which are likely to reveal they have slipped into negative equity.

    "If they purchased the investment property 12 months ago for $250,000, borrowing 100 per cent and using their home as security, and the market has dropped 20 to 30 per cent, when they go to refinance they find the property is worth only $200,000," Eves says.

    "That $50,000 has to be covered somewhere. They can either take equity out of their own home or sell and pay it out."

    He says many families will face this situation in the next 12 to 18 months, and those who are coming off fixed-rate mortgages can prepare themselves for higher repayments by reviewing their discretionary spending.

    "We're starting to see people do that, with internal and external tourism declining and public transport use increasing."

    He advises against cutting out insurances as a way of stretching the family budget.

    And he says it is preferable to carry additional interest costs if possible for the next three years than to sell up, as they will be less than the hit people will take from selling their house while the price is low.

    "If someone purchased a house for $400,000, and they're looking at a drop in the market of 15 per cent, that's a $60,000 loss - that's a lot of interest.

    "So if you can cover the interest you are a lot better off than if you put the place on the market."

    The good news is that with finance companies now cleared out of the market, banks are getting more money in deposits than in the past six years.

    This means they need to borrow less from overseas to lend out, which will help cap fixed-interest rates.

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  • #2
    Falling values mean New Zealanders who bought property from mid-2006 to the end of last year will be in negative equity now if they put in a deposit of 15 per cent or less, says Chris Eves, property professor at Lincoln University in Christchurch.
    I want to know what research supports this assertion of a fall in property values of 15% across the board since mid-2006.

    Paul.

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    • #3
      Hang on a second.

      Money is never "LOST" it is simply shifted.

      People who started out with property worth 160K in year 2000; now have property worth 300K.

      So by my thinking, thats where the money went.

      Every Mum and Dad has made a killing over the past few years.

      What's all this sulking about.
      Last edited by McDuck; 10-08-2008, 11:55 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by McDuck View Post
        Hang on a second.

        Money is never "LOST" it is simply shifted.
        Thats a good point McDuck. I was going to make that comment on another thread. There is a certain amount of money in the world and it shifts from one asset class to another.

        For the pundits of buying gold I think this is a concept that needs to be remembered. Gold is a safe haven, but what happens when people see the risk/reward trade off as sufficient to move out of gold and into other markets.
        Once that happens gold slides and the new market rises.... So whats going to be the new market that has sufficient risk/reward trade off to drag all the money back out of gold and back into circulation.

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        • #5
          tpr2 asked:
          So whats going to be the new market that has sufficient risk/reward trade off to drag all the money back out of gold and back into circulation?
          Wouldn't we all like to know?

          Water maybe? Or will be a long term investment?
          "There's one way to find out if a man is honest-ask him. If he says 'yes,' you know he is a crook." Groucho Marx

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          • #6
            Originally posted by muppet View Post
            tpr2 asked:


            Wouldn't we all like to know?

            Water maybe? Or will be a long term investment?
            Definitely water related companies will do well but I don't know if there are enough to suck that money out the safe havens.

            What would happen if NZ had a govt backed bond market with returns in excess of say 12%. Would that be enough ROI with little risk to start the money flowing back into the financial markets?

            Also I think I read somewhere the US Gov were going to guarantee private lenders (if they were lending to the residential market), allowing mum and dad investors to provide the necessary funding to create a floor on the US housing market.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tpr2 View Post
              Thats a good point McDuck. I was going to make that comment on another thread. There is a certain amount of money in the world and it shifts from one asset class to another.

              For the pundits of buying gold I think this is a concept that needs to be remembered. Gold is a safe haven, but what happens when people see the risk/reward trade off as sufficient to move out of gold and into other markets.
              Once that happens gold slides and the new market rises.... So whats going to be the new market that has sufficient risk/reward trade off to drag all the money back out of gold and back into circulation.
              Terry,
              Sorry, but I think that statement is completely wrong.

              Please have a look at the thread I just created:

              There is nothing more important you have to do...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by McDuck View Post
                Hang on a second.

                Money is never "LOST" it is simply shifted.

                People who started out with property worth 160K in year 2000; now have property worth 300K.

                So by my thinking, thats where the money went.

                Every Mum and Dad has made a killing over the past few years.

                What's all this sulking about.
                Wrong...

                Money is Also Destroyed
                by Michael Nystrom, MBA
                July 20, 2007


                If money can be created from thin air, the opposite is also true: it can be destroyed as well. Usually it is the Federal Reserve System that does the creating, but the destruction comes by other means. Bear Stearns’ hedge fund investors have found this out the hard way. Two of its funds recently went belly up, taking 100% of investors’ capital with them. One of the funds, the Bear Stearns High-Grade Structured Credit Strategies Enhanced Leverage fund, reported $638 million of investor capital in the first quarter. Today nothing remains.

                How can money so quickly and effectively be destroyed? To understand this, we have to understand how the money was created in the first place. According to news reports, the underlying securities in the hedge fund in question were subprime mortgages.

                Mr. Jones Takes out a Sub Prime Loan
                Let’s say it’s 2003, and Mr. Jones, who has less than stellar credit wants to buy a house. He goes to the bank to get a mortgage. The conventional wisdom is that the bank loans him money so he can buy the house. In reality, Mr. Jones is actually borrowing the money from himself, -- or rather against his own future earnings. The bank simply facilitates the real estate transaction between him and the house seller. It does this by writing a note that says ‘we’ve loaned Mr. Jones X dollars and he’s promised to pay us the money back over 30 years. We are holding his house as collateral until the money is paid back.’ This note is called the mortgage, and it becomes the bank’s asset. Under Federal Reserve rules, it can use this asset to create the money to pay the seller of the house.
                In reality, the bank has no money, and the mortgage has value only because of Mr. Jones’s promise to pay back the money. As long as Mr. Jones’s promise is good, the mortgage will retain its value and the bank can sell it to another investor – for example a hedge fund.

                The Hedge Fund Buys Mr. Jones’s Mortgage
                The hedge fund bought thousands of mortgages like Mr. Jones’s, with the hope of collecting a steady stream of income as borrowers paid off their mortgages. That sounded like a good idea, and a solid bet. People traditionally are very good about paying their mortgages back. No one, after all, wants to lose their home. In fact, it sounded like great idea – so great in fact, that Bear Stearns took the $638 million of its investors money, borrowed $10 billion more, (yes, that is a b) and put it all into subprime mortgages.
                Mr. Jones Defaults
                As it turned out, Mr. Jones, and many more like him were unable to keep their promises to pay the money back. Maybe Mr. Jones lost his job in this terrible economy; maybe he got sick and couldn’t work; maybe he didn’t understand that his mortgage payment was going to jump to something he couldn’t afford; maybe he thought he could sell the house for more money, and never expected to hold on to it this long; maybe he just wasn’t a good credit risk to begin with.
                Whatever the reason, Mr. Jones and millions like him had to break their promises about paying back the loans. In the end they’ll just give their keys back to the bank and say, “Thanks, but no thanks. I can’t afford it.”

                The banks in turn will say, “Don’t give us the keys. We sold your mortgage a long time ago. We don’t even know who owns your mortgage now, and frankly we don’t care.”

                Until now, his debt was an asset of the fund, and was being used as collateral against loans ten times its value. But the moment that Mr. Jones gave up on the idea of home ownership, the value of his mortgage simply disappeared. The paper asset, which derived its value from Mr. Jones’s promise, was destroyed. This had a cascading effect, since Mr. Jones’s mortgage was being used as collateral to borrow money to buy even more subprime mortgages, many of which were also defaulting. Assets purchased on borrowed money were now worthless. Only the debts remained, and suddenly there was more debt than the original amount that investors had put into the fund. These original funds would be needed repay the debts incurred by the fund. Nothing is left to return to investors. This is the process by which money is destroyed.

                What about the houses, you ask? Yes, they have some value, but not nearly as much as when they were first purchased. Again, it was not the houses that had the value, it was Mr. Jones promise to pay a steady stream of high interest income over 30 years that was valuable to investors.
                http://www.bullnotbull.com/archive/money-1.html

                Hey Steve, I'll try and get through that lot
                Find The Trend Whose Premise Is False - Then Bet Against It

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gatekeeper View Post
                  Wrong...





                  Hey Steve, I'll try and get through that lot
                  You won't regret it ... I promise you

                  The most productive/enlightening 2 hours I've ever spent.

                  He neatly covers the "little problem" of repaying debt

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by McDuck View Post
                    Hang on a second.
                    Money is never "LOST" it is simply shifted.
                    I tend to agree with you, McDuck.
                    I do acknowledge there is another school of thought who don't agree with you.
                    My reasoning is that no money has been lost with Blue Chip and the finance companies. It's simply been transferred (permanently!) to the directors of Blue Chip, or the owners of the finance companies, or the developers who used the finance companies.
                    Individual investors have handed their money to others involved.
                    Money hasn't disappeared out of the system.

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                    • #11
                      Yes, thats the main problem with understanding money.

                      One takes for granteed "all other things being equal".

                      The trouble is, that all other things do not stay put, even for one second.

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                      • #12
                        Ps. If the money we borrow comes from off shore, then 8% of our hard earned, gets shifted off shore each year.

                        Now I ask you, how can that go back into our economy to be used for prosperity?

                        Shift the hell out of the money I say. Just make sure it rewards "productivity", and not "activity".

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bob Kane View Post
                          I tend to agree with you, McDuck.
                          I do acknowledge there is another school of thought who don't agree with you.
                          My reasoning is that no money has been lost with Blue Chip and the finance companies. It's simply been transferred (permanently!) to the directors of Blue Chip, or the owners of the finance companies, or the developers who used the finance companies.
                          Individual investors have handed their money to others involved.
                          Money hasn't disappeared out of the system.
                          Thats my opinion exactly. Yes bob and betty BBQ have lost their money but someone else certanly found it and spent it, or invested it into a gold course, I mean a golf course..lol.

                          There are certainly people out there who have made an awful lot of money out of these companies and product was purchased. So money went back into the system in one way shape or form.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Steve Netwriter View Post
                            Terry,
                            Sorry, but I think that statement is completely wrong.

                            Please have a look at the thread I just created:

                            There is nothing more important you have to do...
                            http://www.propertytalk.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=17355
                            Hi Steve
                            I will take a look. Thanks for the link.
                            I will check it out and let you know if I want to revise my position or or remain steadfast in my convictions.
                            cheers
                            Terry

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                            • #15
                              Hi Steve
                              I'm not sure when I will get a free 2hours but I will because your POV deserves to be understood before I agree or disagree.

                              Can I ask a quick question though.
                              I read the posts and one suggested the ideas will get lumped in with other CT's.

                              If the information is so difficult for people to grasp or too far away from our current fiscal environment how difficult it it going to be to get the ideas implemented into our culture.

                              Also if the change is coming but it may be many years away how do we go about living in todays envirnment?

                              One of my early mentors usedd to say to me spend like you will die tomorrow but invest like you will live forever. (Yes I did try and hit him a few times for trying to be like Buddha but it is advice that has served me reasonably well)

                              In this new system of how money works what and how and when do we invest?

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