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  • "Economic Hypochondria" in Australia - is it in NZ too?

    Economic Depression may be "in the mind"

    CommSec chief economist Craig James has accused Australians of dwelling on the bad news about price hikes, ignoring the wage rises and tax cuts that he argues have left most families better off financially

    Mr James said that fall in consumer confidence was in spite of evidence showing the average Australian wage earner who took out an average mortgage more than two years ago was actually in front financially.

    Repayments on an average mortgage taken out five years ago had gone up by $354 a month. But that, and other cost-of-living increases, would have been more than offset by an increase in the average after-tax wage in the same period, worth $832 a month.

    Mr James said Australians' unnecessary worry about their family budgets could turn into a bout of economic hypochondria.

    "The risk is there," he said. "The risk is that people could talk themselves into a depressed state. They'll react to the bad news out there without sitting down and looking at the actual dollars."

    His concern was backed by social commentator Clive Hamilton, former head of the Australia Institute and co-author of Affleunza. "I think there is far more imagined hardship in Australia than real hardship," he said.

    "I think we just like whingeing. It doesn't reflect very well on the view that Australians have of themselves as stoic individualists who get through life with little complaint.

    "We've become a nation of middle-class whingers."
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  • #2
    Multiply that by 100 and you have New Zealand.
    We love to talk ourselves into bad news,

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    • #3
      Poomba's last stand

      With interest rates climbing, and market turmoil clearly affecting Aussie as well, I think Poomba/Dean is whistling in the dark.

      OllyN [email protected]
      Independent Property Consultant
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      • #4
        No way not with what I see is happening in Perth.
        Nigel Turner

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        • #5
          Too late??

          OllyN [email protected]
          Independent Property Consultant
          Residential and Commercial Solutions

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          • #6
            And you'd been such a well behaved boy of late Olly.

            But now you're just repeating past bad behaviours.

            Salacious headings, a hyperlink and no original thought.

            How boring.

            M
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            • #7
              Perth has been ahead of us here and we all know they have had low or negative growth in areas. You are talking about whats happening yesterday or today and not in the next 6 - 12 months, they are lined up with big growth over the next couple of years with a number of big developments been brought forward 3 - 5 years because of a shortage of housing. One of which is a 2000 section development due for development in 5 - 10 years now signed off this month ready to begin later this year.
              Nigel Turner

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              • #8
                I guess that’s one way of getting people to spend money that they don’t have; by bullying them!

                This article is probably the most irresponsible article I have ever read on the existing and future problems facing the worlds financial markets.
                Erewhon is still erehwon, I don’t see it changing anytime soon.

                http://exnzpat.blogspot.com/

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                • #9
                  The basic premise of the article is that if people stopped and thought about it, they'd realise that maybe things aren't as bad as they think.

                  Consumer confidence, as you well know, is a key indicator for the direction of any economy and these economists are saying that perhaps confidence has over-reacted negatively to recent events.

                  Sure, oil costs a bomb and interest rates are the highest they have been in 15 years, but people still have jobs and interest rates are only half as much as they were in over the peak of the cycle in the late 80's early 90's.

                  Things aren't great - they aren't saying that.

                  They are saying that things aren't as bad as people think.

                  Of course, if you've studied economics and have an awareness of "rational expectations" you'll realise that commonly held beliefs have a way of becoming self-fulfilling prophecies.

                  People think the economy is up crap creek (whether it is or not is irrelevant, it is what people think that matters) > they adjust their decisions accordingly > and, in time, the economy really is up crap creek.

                  M
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mark_B View Post
                    And you'd been such a well behaved boy of late Olly.

                    But now you're just repeating past bad behaviours.

                    Salacious headings, a hyperlink and no original thought.

                    How boring.

                    M
                    The writings on the wall

                    101 Supply and demand economics

                    There is only one way the property market is heading at the moment

                    Maybe give us some optimism late 2009

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                    • #11
                      If, on reading this thread, you find yourself unable to contemplate for a few minutes that their could be a grain of truth in this article, then perhaps you need to ask yourself "is my viewpoint unbalanced?"

                      That isn't to say that you have to agree with the article, but if all you can do is completely dismiss it without consideration, then warning bells should be ringing.

                      M
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                      • #12
                        Ding Ding !!

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                        • #13
                          Hows this for hypochondria?

                          Well I didn't think this was worth a new Thread..............But it is certainly worth noting.......


                          The mission of any business enterprise should include the aim to develop economic conditions rather than simply react to them.

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                          • #14
                            Seems to me it's just the other side of the coin. Not long ago everyone seemed to be euphoric, chicken dancing even, the sky is the limit, house prices never go down, etc etc.

                            Maybe we are becoming a manic depressive society. Not very healthy!

                            Austrokiwi, yes interesting link. Bush made sure this didn't happen on his watch from what I have read. US economic statistics have been manipulated to keep the sheeple dumbed down and keep the pension increases and inflation adjusted bonds to a minimum. Crooks!!

                            The fed rate is way below true inflation. Dollar should be toast.
                            Find The Trend Whose Premise Is False - Then Bet Against It

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gatekeeper View Post

                              The fed rate is way below true inflation. Dollar should be toast.
                              Yep on CNBC the last 2-3 days Commentators have been slamming the fed Especially the last rate drop. It has even starting to look like they want Bernake out of there!
                              The mission of any business enterprise should include the aim to develop economic conditions rather than simply react to them.

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