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    20pc down buys us a home loan

    4:00 AM Sunday Apr 25, 2010
    Photo / Herald on Sunday


    I'm pretending to be a teacher, hubby is an accountant and we're in our early 30s. No, this isn't some banal internet dating fantasy.
    This is what I'm telling the banks as we discover whether it's really as easy to get a first mortgage as the glitzy advertising campaigns claim.
    Mr Accountant and Ms Teacher have a combined annual pulling power of $100,000 before tax. The prize we are chasing? A $450,000 (or more) villa in trendy Onehunga, Auckland.
    We've saved $40,000 and our parents will gift $50,000. We have no dependants, but $5000 in student loan debt. We're both signed up to the voluntary savings scheme KiwiSaver - which snatches 4 per cent of our income. So how high will the banks go?
    First up I call the ASB and am quickly told they will require a 20 per cent deposit. The man says ASB "wouldn't have a problem [lending] around the $360,000 mark".
    The ANZ bank worker I speak to next is very excited. "Fantastic!" he says, on being told of our $90,000 deposit. They will do the same as ASB, but, if pushed, might just be willing to bend the rules on the 20 per cent deposit.
    I'm told they can "look at" a 15 per cent deposit and even, in some cases, 10 per cent - but "it's very rare". You might want to be earning $250,000 with no outgoings.
    The BNZ call-taker, too, says that bank prefers a 20 per cent deposit but will deal with each case on its merits. I ask for more, and he buckles.
    They might lend a maximum of $450,000, the call-taker says. They could live with a relatively meagre 16 per cent deposit but there could be more "conditions" like a full registration on the property, a higher interest rate or a $400 establishment fee.
    A National bank staffer says: "Everything has got to be perfect to get over 80 per cent lending." But I was welcome to talk to a lending specialist at the bank.
    Westpac starts to break the mould. Quite quickly I'm told "we can lend up to 90 per cent". They give an indication of a potential $470,000 loan. They say the key is meeting the servicing requirements.
    Finally, I inquire with Kiwibank. They cut straight to the hard questions faster than any of the other banks.
    I'm asked what limits I have on my credit cards, and where exactly I got my $90,000 deposit from. With $7000 available on a credit card, I'm told I could borrow as much as $465,000. They can loan more than 80 per cent of the cost of the house but there will be extra insurance costs.
    Most banks, it seems, prefer a 20 per cent deposit. There may be some room for movement - but it comes at a cost.
    Banking on it
    Getting a home loan was tough, says Aucklander Phil Stewart. But he and partner Rebecca Lakeman secured one and are moving into their first home on Wednesday.
    In February, they paid more than $500,000 for a refurbished two-bedroom bungalow in Ellerslie.
    But it was no easy feat.
    They thought their profile was good: He's a 33-year-old engineer, she's a 31-year-old English teacher, and they have a combined annual income of over $100,000. They have no dependants and had a $30,000 deposit.
    However, they had $7000 borrowed on credit cards and $40,000 of student loan debt.
    They met with Kiwibank and Stewart said there "was some difficulty" that automatic payments had caused them to go slightly beyond their overdraft a couple of times.
    While Kiwibank was processing the application, the couple went to mortgage brokers - "just in case".
    Most of the banks turned them down, but Squirrel broker John Bolton's approach to National Bank elicited a compromise - if the couple could increase their deposit.
    Fortunately, Stewart's parents agreed to loan them money, topping up the couple's deposit to $80,000.
    "We didn't want to do that. But it was the only way we could get the deposit we needed," he said.
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  • #2
    If we assume the teacher pulls $30K and the engineer makes $70K they will be bringing home just over $6,000 per month net of PAYE, ACC & Kiwisaver.

    Loan payment on $465,000 at 7.50% (below the long term average of 8.20%) over 25 years P&I of about $3,400 per month, or 56% of after tax income. Plus another $200 per month minimum payment on the cards, and $530 payment on student loans leaves roughly $1,900 per month to live on for all living costs. Pretty lean in my book.

    If they decide to start a family (both in their early 30's... what are the odds?) net income without considering government benefits / WFF drops to $4100 per month... not sure of any eligibility for these on a $70k income with 1 child. After loan payments of $3,400, cards of $200 for cards & $430 student loan leaves the princely sum of $70 before any household expenses.

    And we wonder why we the bank wants a 20% deposit and we moan about how hard it is to get a mortgage...

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    • #3
      A teacher would be earning 50k plus, engineer probably the same

      But yes, they want a mortgage 4 times their combined income with a strong chance of children in the near future. Not surprising they needed help from their parents to get a loan. They really should be buying in a cheaper area and look at trading up when their kids enter school age. This would save them a fortune.

      A couple i know are in a similar situation earning 110k between them and likely to have children in a year or two.
      The difference is that it sounds as though they are going to look at purchasing their first house with only a 25k deposit but with a mortgage of only 250k. I can't imagine the bank will have problem with an approx 10% deposit in this case though it will be interesting to see.

      I guess as they don't live in Wellington or Auckland you can still get a nice home in a reasonable area for tha.

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      • #4
        I wonder if this couple where even looking to have kids, it would not be possible on one income, the mother would have to be back at work after 3 months, even then the government only pay $429 before tax.

        To have children nowadays with a large mortgage there is no way a mother can stay home, so unless this couple were intending for this my guess is they were not going to start a family any time soon.

        Although the clock is ticking.

        FH

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        • #5
          It's unfortunately a sign of the times. 3brm houses can be had for $250k in Auckland - but sure why not go for a smaller house and pay $500k while also having $7000 in CC card debt and a $40k student loan...
          Sounds pretty silly to me, and then on top of it they moan about how hard it is to get a mortgage...
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          • #6
            The problem with this type of home buyer is that they want the nice house in the next best location NOW! I want 10 cash + properties right now but its going to take time and effort.

            Why wait, lets see if we can max out our serviceability and hopefully tread water for the next 25 years.

            I wonder if they considered what borrowing 420k would feel like paying week after week.

            FH
            Last edited by freezinhot; 25-04-2010, 11:46 PM.

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            • #7
              Why do they have $40,000 student loans when they are 30 years old?

              If my parents gave me $50,000 I'd be in a house tomorrow. Just another stupid story about property that makes the masses who spend on credit cards feel warm fuzzies inside.
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              • #8
                Getting a home loan was tough, says Aucklander Phil Stewart. But he and partner Rebecca Lakeman secured one and are moving into their first home on Wednesday.
                In February, they paid more than $500,000 for a refurbished two-bedroom bungalow in Ellerslie.
                You have got to be kidding me - there was nothing suitable for them for less that 1/2 a million dollars!?
                DFTBA

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cube View Post
                  You have got to be kidding me - there was nothing suitable for them for less that 1/2 a million dollars!?
                  http://www.trademe.co.nz/browse/cate...rder=price_asc

                  Yip lots. Half a mill for a first house must be hard. Poor people.
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                  • #10
                    If they think arranging the loan was difficult, then keeping up with the payments will kill them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cube View Post
                      You have got to be kidding me - there was nothing suitable for them for less that 1/2 a million dollars!?
                      I never realised Ellislie was such an expensive area.

                      At least they cant blame PI for pushing up the price as a PI would never spend $500k for a 2 beddy. Upper quartile rent is $380 which gives a 4% return.

                      Maybe they should have kept renting

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jumpin View Post
                        If they think arranging the loan was difficult, then keeping up with the payments will kill them.
                        My sentiments exactly!!

                        FH

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                        • #13
                          $1,900 per month after mortgage payments is plenty to live on for an Indian couple.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mortgage broker View Post
                            $1,900 per month after mortgage payments is plenty to live on for an Indian couple.
                            For any couple. If Auckland is so expensive why don't people move south?
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                            • #15
                              For any couple. If Auckland is so expensive why don't people move south?
                              what if the jobs are in the north ?!

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