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    Legal bid to stop CERN atom smasher from 'destroying the world'
    The world's biggest and most expensive scientific experiment has been hit by a last minute legal challenge, amid claims that the research could bring about the end of the world.

    Critics of the Large Hadron Collider - a £4.4 billion machine due to be switched on in ten days time - have lodged a lawsuit at the European Court for Human Rights against the 20 countries, including the UK, that fund the project.

    The device is designed to replicate conditions that existed just a fraction of a second after the Big Bang, and its creators hope it will unlock the secrets of how the universe began.

    However, opponents fear the machine, which will smash pieces of atoms together at high speed and generate temperatures of more than a trillion degrees centigrade, may create a mini-black hole that could tear the earth apart.

    Scientists involved in the project have dismissed the fears as "absurd" and insist that extensive safety assessments on the 17 mile long particle accelerator have demonstrated that it is safe.

    The legal battle comes as the European Nuclear Research Centre (CERN), in Geneva, prepares to send the first beam of particles around the machine at the official switch on, on September 10, although it will be several weeks before the first particles are collided together.

    Opponents of the project had hoped to obtain an injunction from the European Court of Human Rights that would block the collider from being turned on at all, but the court rejected the application on Friday morning. However, the court will rule on allegations that the experiment violates the right to life under the European Convention of Human Rights.

    Professor Otto Rössler, a German chemist at the Eberhard Karls University of Tübingen who is one of the most vocal opponents of the LHC and was one of the scientists who submitted the complaint to the court, said: "CERN itself has admitted that mini black holes could be created when the particles collide, but they don't consider this a risk.

    "My own calculations have shown that it is quite plausible that these little black holes survive and will grow exponentially and eat the planet from the inside. I have been calling for CERN to hold a safety conference to prove my conclusions wrong but they have not been willing.

    "We submitted this application to the European Court of Human Rights as we do not believe the scientists at CERN are taking all the precautions they should be in order to protect human life."

    Professor Rössler claims that, in the worst case scenario, the earth could be sucked inside out within four years of a mini black hole forming.

    The case he and his colleagues have put before the European Court of Human Rights argues that the Large Hadron Collider violates the right to life and right to private family life under the European Convention of Human Rights

    It sets out a series of arguments that suggest the collider could produce mini black holes that would permanently come into existence and grow uncontrollably.

    But a safety report published earlier this year by experts at CERN and reviewed by a group of external scientists gave the Large Hadron Collider the all clear. It concluded that there was little theoretical chance of the collider producing mini black holes that would be capable of posing a danger to the earth.

    It stated that nature routinely produces higher energy collisions on the earth than will be possible in the collider, when cosmic rays hit the planet

    But the CERN facility is already facing a second lawsuit filed by environmentalists in Hawaii who are seeking a court order that would force the US government to intervene and delay the start up of the collider. That case is due to be heard on Tuesday.

    Large particle colliders have been used by scientists to smash atoms and pieces of atoms together for more than thirty years without causing any noticeable harm to the planet.

    This latest machine, however, has attracted such attention because it is the largest and most powerful ever constructed. Built 300ft beneath the French Swiss border, it will fire atomic particles around its 17 mile circumference, 11,245 times every second before smashing them headlong into each other.

    The result will, for a split second, replicate the conditions that existed in the moments immediately after the birth of the universe, known as the Big Bang. In a space a billion times smaller than a speck of dust, the collisions will create temperatures 100,000 times hotter than the centre of the sun.

    Among the debris thrown off by these collisions, scientists hope they will find the elusive Higgs-Boson, which is thought to be responsible for giving every other particle its mass, or weight.

    But scientists admit it could be years before they start producing any meaningful results due to the challenges involved in detecting such tiny and fleeting particles.

    James Gillies, spokesman for CERN, insisted that despite the huge amounts of energy the Large Hadron Collider will produce, it posed no risk to the safety of the planet.

    He said: "The case before the European Court of Human Rights contains the same arguments that we have seen before and we have answered these in extensive safety reports.

    The Large Hadron Collider will not be producing anything that does not already happen routinely in nature due to cosmic rays. If they were dangerous we would know about it already.

    "We are now concentrating on firing the first beams around the collider and then on fine tuning it until we can get collisions, when the science will start."

    A spokesman for the European Court of Human Rights confirmed the lawsuit had been lodged and the petition to obtain an emergency injunction against CERN was rejected. She said: "There will therefore be no bar to CERN carrying out these experiments but the applicants can continue with this case here at the ECHR."
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  • #2
    The result will, for a split second, replicate the conditions that existed in the moments immediately after the birth of the universe, known as the Big Bang
    I don't know about you guys but I'm pretty comfortable not knowing!
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    • #3
      Wow and that money could have been spent on far more worthy causes like renewable energy research or feeding the masses.


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      • #4
        And they talk about the big bang like it's a fact, what a load of drivel. Tying to "recreate" something that never happened. And they call it science.


        • #5
          Spending money this way is exactly how our civilisation progresses into a more advanced state where hopefully one day we don't have to worry about energy shortages and pollution.
          If it had not been for a lot of initially ridiculed ideas and a lot of 'wasteful' research which the average Joe just doesn't comprehend we would still sit in a cave and not have electricity, cars, refridgerators, televisions, internet or forums to discuss property for that matter...
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          • #6
            I think Dr. Who had the same problem, fixed it with his psionic screwdriver.

            (stay out the shadows)


            • #7
              Originally posted by pooomba View Post
              And they talk about the big bang like it's a fact, what a load of drivel. Tying to "recreate" something that never happened. And they call it science.
              Blasphemy Dean!!!

              Say 10 Hail Mary's.



              • #8
                I don't know any cab drivers called Mary Paul??


                • #9
                  I did some physics at uni years ago. This stuff is actually really vital.

                  And Poomba, not only has the Big Bang been proven in many ways, most churches have come out in support of it. It gives scientific evidence of 'Genesis' so it's actually quite convenient from a Christian perspective since it can be considered as the point in time when God created the universe.

                  And Donna, this research is about trying to create fusion here on Earth (amongst other things). If we can create and control fusion reactions then we have unlimited energy. So is that enough renewable energy for you?

                  These experiments are actually vital in a number of ohter areas as well, space travel being one, quantum computers being another. They have the potential to change the way we all live our lives. And have a number of huge environmental pluses as well (e.g. not having to burn coal or use oil would be pretty bloody good wouldn't it?)

                  Bummer about the small chance of destroying the Earth and civilisation as we know it though...

                  Squadly dinky do!


                  • #10
                    My Big concern

                    When is it going to stop raining in Auckland so I can paint the house


                    • #11
                      bummer about the small chance of destroying the earth and civilisation as we know it though...
                      lol lol lol


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by donna View Post
                        Wow and that money could have been spent on far more worthy causes like renewable energy research or feeding the masses.


                        But what if these experiments, or other expensive ones like them, find a way of safely accessing the energy within an atom without blasting everything in the vicinity to smithereens?

                        Long term (100 years +), some sort of nuclear energy will be needed to power the planet, unless there is some catastrophic event (bird flu?) that wipes out 1/2 the world's population, and experiments like this will result in its safe application.

                        Oh, and in case you are wondering if there is a relationship between energy and feeding the masses - energy and matter are interchangeable, so get more energy, and you can make more food!

                        And, BlueKiwi, it's sonic screwdriver.



                        • #13
                          Originally posted by keleri View Post
                          When is it going to stop raining in Auckland so I can paint the house
                          I suggest you wait 48 hours just to make sure its worthwhile


                          • #14
                            Just in case there is any doubt regarding my position David :-)

                            The big bang myth allows that the sun was formed long before the earth. Various theories have been formulated to explain how the universe came to be organized after the initial explosion.

                            Take your choice: the planetesimal theory, the nebular theory, the dust cloud theory. They all have one thing in common—they assert that the earth is a new-comer compared to the sun.

                            However, the Bible teaches that the earth was created first, and the sun came later—on the fourth day of the first week (Genesis 1:1, 14-16).

                            The same point can be made regarding the stars. The Bible puts them after the earth; the evolutionary model teaches otherwise. Of course some have attempted to solve this difficulty with yet another slippery compromise. They allege that the “creative acts” of Genesis 1 are not necessarily “in chronological order” (Willis 1979, 92).

                            The big bang theory supposes that the universe started with a chaotic explosion which then proceeded toward order. The Bible teaches the exact opposite. God created the universe as a beautiful and orderly masterpiece, but it has been degenerating toward disorder in the intervening millennia (Psalm 102:25ff; Hebrews 1:10-12).

                            Big bang cosmology postulates a universe that is nearly twenty billion years old, with the human race evolving only three or four million years ago. According to this view, a vast period of time separates the origin of the universe from that of mankind.

                            But the Scriptures affirm:
                            (1) The human family came into existence the same week as the universe (Genesis 1; Exodus 20:11). Man has thus existed from the beginning of the creation (Isaiah 40:21; Mark 10:6; Luke 11:50; Romans 1:20).

                            (2) Human antiquity extends to only a few thousand years before Christ, as evinced by the genealogical records of the Lord’s ancestry all the way back to Adam, the first man (1 Corinthians 15:45).

                            There are some two millennia spanning the present back to Jesus Christ; another two thousand years push history back to the time of Abraham. There are only twenty generations between Abraham and Adam (Luke 3:23-3.

                            Even if one concedes that some minor gaps exist in the Old Testament narrative (cf. Genesis 11:12; Luke 3:35-36), surely no responsible Bible student will contend that twenty billion years can be squeezed into those twenty generations.

                            The universe thus cannot be billions of years old.

                            Big bang chronology and biblical chronology are woefully at variance.


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by cube View Post

                              And, BlueKiwi, it's sonic screwdriver.

                              I considered that option cube but I dont like it, and I felt that psionic adds more depth to the concept.

                              Plus I havent seen an episode where the spelling was defined.