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  • Dean Letfus: “my job is to cover sin” -- WHO & WHAT?

    Did anyone else see this extraordinary disclosure on Dean Letfus's blog a few days ago? I just saw it today.
    To me, if it's to do with some 'property' enterprise, it raises several questions.

    Who ... and what 'sin' ... he is talking about? Who are the victims?

    Originally posted by Dean Letfus
    ...I always seek to “cover” another’s sin. I try and focus on the good in others and hide their faults. It is simply trying to obey several specific bible verses. 1 says to love your enemies and the other says that Love covers a multitude of sins. ...[snip]...

    Well I had one particular situation where I knew things that were not right and people were potentially being taken advantage of. I have over and over again had to stop myself from saying anything publicly and it has been incredibly hard for me. Every time I said to God that I wanted to see this thing put right HE would say to me “Dean it is your job to cover sin, justice is my problem”.

    So while I was away at Camp the first independent public exposure of the issue has happened, without my involvement or assistance at all.
    It’s a huge burden off my shoulders to know that it will get sorted out. God rocks.
    http://massiveaction.tv/blog/?p=362

    I don’t know who/what he’s talking about. Can anybody else join the dots?
    I’d ask him but his blog says God repeatedly told him not to speak up.

    I wonder what that silent collusion has cost (... others, of course).

    -Peter
    Peter Aranyi
    Blog: www.ThePaepae.com

  • #2
    Dean is a intelligent investor and knows many individuals in his line of work.

    Is it our responsibility to publically speak up on those less than ethical persons?
    Guess it really comes down to the situation.
    -Drink driver on the road, Ring the police maybe?
    -Dodgy business person, maybe or maybe not. Do you wait for Karma and keep yourself clean?

    Anyway the only thing property related of interest this week is the continued Blue Peak scandal.

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    • #3
      All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

      Thanks for your thoughts Whitt & Dan.
      Originally posted by whitt View Post
      Is it our responsibility to publicly speak up?
      My view: Yes.
      And from my reading of his blog entry, Dean Letfus certainly thought so too -- but he says God overruled him. Repeatedly.

      “Keep yourself clean” Whitt? Huh?
      In other words: no matter what you know, stay out of it, say nothing, watch the train wreck and suffering, but let somebody else courageously blow the whistle... then blog how it was “incredibly difficult” for you to stay silent while the wrongdoing went on (but God told you to).

      No thanks.

      Maybe I’m being harsh, but:
      "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

      Anyway, maybe it was the “Blue Peak scandal”, as you suggest. Sounds plausible.
      I wonder what Dean knew/knows but wouldn’t speak up about.

      And what scams is God telling him to shut up about now?

      - Peter
      Peter Aranyi
      Blog: www.ThePaepae.com

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      • #4
        Reminds me of a joke:

        A religious man discovers that he has testicular cancer, and decides to pray for a miracle. The next day he visits a urologist, who tells him he must have surgery immediately. He tells the doctor "I do not want you to remove my testicle, I am praying for a miracle from God". Then he visits a radiologist, who tells him that he must begin radiation therapy immediately. He tells the doctor "I do not want you to expose my body to radiation, I am putting my faith in God." Finally he visits an oncologist, who tells him that he must start chemotherapy immediately. He tells the doctor "I do not want you to inject me with caustic chemicals, God will heal me." A few months later he dies and goes to heaven, where he is very upset and asks God why he didn't give him a miracle. God replies "I gave you three miracles, a urologist, an oncologist and a radiologist, but you chose to ignore them."
        Paul.

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        • #5
          Just to clarify...

          Originally posted by Orbital
          Some people say if others suffer its Gods will, others will help those and stop it happening to others, each to their own.
          Thanks Paul & Orbital (not sure where your post went)

          It occurs to me that perhaps I should state for the record that I am not anti-Christian (some of my best friends etc...) Nor am I seeking to disparage anyone for their religious beliefs.
          In fact I find myself agreeing with this guy, Pastor Wayne Greeson: http://www.padfield.com/1997/goodmen.html
          Time and again those who profess to be good seem to clearly outnumber those who are evil, yet those who are evil seem to prevail far too often. Seldom is it the numbers that determine the outcome, but whether those who claim to be good men are willing to stand up and fight for what they know to be right. ...

          "Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Gal. 6:7). Those who fail or refuse to do good in the face of evil are sowing some dangerous seeds. They are doing nothing good as Jesus commanded them to do; they are helping evil to win and have ceased being good and have become partakers of the evil they did nothing to stop.
          Do not allow evil to triumph. Do not do sit by and do nothing. Stand up and be counted, speak up against evil and speak out against evil men and their sinful deeds.

          That's more like it!
          Last edited by PeterEmpowerEd; 10-08-2008, 11:07 PM.
          Peter Aranyi
          Blog: www.ThePaepae.com

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          • #6
            There are those who do.

            There are those who say.

            Then, there are those who say they do.

            Then, there are those who say and don't

            I prefer to be one who "do's" and doesn't "say".

            Which one are you?

            That's my take on religion.
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            • #7
              Could I just point out two things?

              Firstly, Dean's blog is very clearly prefaced with the following warning: "WARNING: Some blatant Christian content in this blog."

              Secondly, he goes on to say: "So while I was away at Camp the first independent public exposure of the issue has happened, without my involvement or assistance at all."

              So whatever this "scandal" is - and there is nothing to specifically indicate that it is property-related - is coming out in the open anyway.

              Now if you believe in God, then it makes sense - there was no need for Dean to reveal it as God was working in His own way.

              If you don't believe in God, I suggest you heed the warning at the beginning of the original blog: "WARNING: Some blatant Christian content in this blog." If such stuff offends you, don't read it!

              And as there is no hard evidence that this is property-related, I would respectfully suggest that there is no need to drag it over here and debate it.

              Regards, Graham

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              • #8
                After reading Mr Jones blog this morning and this thread, I have to ask is there a property educator in New Zealand that is not dodgy ? its just part of what they do they should not be hounded for it, its time to give them a break.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by orbital View Post
                  After reading Mr Jones blog this morning and this thread, I have to ask is there a property educator in New Zealand that is not dodgy ? its just part of what they do they should not be hounded for it, its time to give them a break.
                  Preserving this one because I'm astounded orbital has a negative word to say about RM.

                  Paul.

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                  • #10
                    Firstly, I don't care and it doesn't bother me if Dean is religious or not. People have a right to their beliefs. As long as he doesn't force it down my throat. Otoh, if I wander into his backyard (his website), then I'm on his turf and fair game.

                    Originally posted by graham View Post
                    And as there is no hard evidence that this is property-related, I would respectfully suggest that there is no need to drag it over here and debate it.


                    Anyone who has been here for a while will have picked up there is (what could be described as) a "tense" relationship between Peter Aranyi / Olly Newland and Dean Leftus.

                    And this isn't the first, or even the second time that they've questioned Dean in a new thread.

                    Seems odd to me that Peter and Olly appear keen to smack Dean over the head with a wrench at any opportunity.

                    M
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                    • #11
                      I agree Mark, I think they are grasping at straws and pretty hard up to start this thread. I don't know where all this came from as no where does it mention it is something to do with property.
                      Nigel Turner

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                      • #12
                        Yeah, but it doesn't say it isn't either, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to assume it is.

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                        • #13
                          Personally I have a problem with anyone who sits on information regarding peope being (or potentially being) taken advantage of, unless they are legally bound not to (those duties generally exist for good reason). I have a very large problem when the person doing so holds themself out in the manner Dean does.

                          Dean, that is one heck of an extrapolation from "love covers a multitude of sins". Great job showing love for the innocent parties .

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                          • #14
                            As one who talks to God, and hears from him regularly, i can confirm that sometimes God asks us to do things that seem contradictory.

                            That is becuase he sees our heart and our attitude.

                            Still, weird that Dean has chosen to share some but not all of his story.

                            Perhaps it is to show that indeed God sometimes does what we hope he will do, without the need for our intervention.

                            No apologies to those who don't believe in God - this thread is clearly about Him. :-)
                            two ears and just one mouth.. for good reason.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Xav View Post
                              Personally I have a problem with anyone who sits on information regarding peope being (or potentially being) taken advantage of, unless they are legally bound not to (those duties generally exist for good reason). I have a very large problem when the person doing so holds themself out in the manner Dean does.

                              Dean, that is one heck of an extrapolation from "love covers a multitude of sins". Great job showing love for the innocent parties .
                              Yes, so do I.

                              princess: I respect your point of view, of course. Perhaps I've recently met too many victims/investors who could have been saved (small 's') if someone had only spoken out earlier.

                              I'm appalled at what I see as complicit silence in the circumstances: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/3/...ectid=10504561

                              Originally posted by NZ Herald

                              I feared fallout if I warned on Blue Chip, says ex-minister
                              Thursday April 17, 2008 By Anne Gibson

                              A former Commerce Minister regrets being a director of ruined property business Blue Chip but says he didn't warn the public about the company's problems because he feared the corporate fallout.

                              John Luxton, Commerce Minister from 1996-97, was a director of Blue Chip for a year until he wrote a scathing resignation letter in October 2006 criticising many aspects of the business and founding shareholder, director and boss Mark Bryers.

                              But Luxton never raised the problems in public. Now, hundreds of New Zealanders stand to lose their life savings and family homes after investing with the company.
                              See any similarities? Leaving out of it what God may or may not have told John Luxton, what do you make of this?

                              Graham: Thanks for your comments. With equal respect, discussion and debate of ethical questions is nothing new to PropertyTalk and I’m surprised at your desire to curb it ("no need to drag it over here and debate it"). I've gained insights from posters such as Monid, poormastery and others whose comments on ethics are a highlight of this forum.

                              Also, far from being offended by “blatant Christian content” I welcome it as a much-needed and useful moral compass in this age of slippery situational ethics (e.g. Should I speak out against evil? “Maybe or maybe not.”).

                              - Peter

                              PS I'm not saying I am perfect or 'a saint', just responding to what I read and opening a discussion.
                              Peter Aranyi
                              Blog: www.ThePaepae.com

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