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    From today's Sunday Star Times:

    "YOU CAN focus on what you are good at, which is finding property deals, and we can focus on what we are good at, which is moving property deals, and we have a lovely marriage together," Richmastery founder Phil Jones told a gathering of investors in Auckland late last year.

    Jones, whose Richmastery business claims to have a database of 60,000 property investors,was selling licences priced at $5000 (bronze), $25,000 (gold) and $50,000 (platinum) for a new venture, Blue Peak Wealth Management.

    Licensees were to source properties for onsale by Blue Peak, in return for a finder's fee of $3000 and a share of the property buyer's debt.

    After a little over seven months, the marriage has turned sour. Licence holders contacted by the Star-Times say Blue Peak has sold none of the properties they found, and the promise made by Jones that they would make "insane amounts of money" has yet to be fulfilled.

    In a DVD promoting Blue Peak, Jones told licensees: "We are going to show you how you can work half the hours you work, and double your income ... We are going to show you how to create wealth out of thin air."
    Those profits could add up to more than $3 million over the five-year term of the most expensive licences, Jones claimed.

    Sources say Blue Peak received more than $1m from the sale of licences. That money does not appear to have been a good investment for some licensees.

    Six have told the Sunday Star-Times they were yet to make a bean, despite having delivered properties to Blue Peak to sell.

    Licensee Dan Heke, who "downgraded" his licence from gold to bronze as a way of cutting his losses, although he got no refund of any of the $15,000 he had already paid, said: "We have been in this business for over six months and nothing has come of any of the properties we have presented.

    "The only reason I bought into the franchise was because I had the understanding that there was a database of buyers ready to buy, but from the start there have been no buyers," he claims.

    Another licensee reported presenting eligible properties within weeks of the Blue Peak launch. He said no buyers were found and he had given up the cash he spent on his licence.

    "I can't find the time to spend looking for properties only to find they can't sell them," he said. "I'd very much like my money back, but I don't think they will do that somehow."

    His principal complaint: "He [Jones] promised us he would do a large marketing campaign, which really has failed to surface."

    Still another licensee, who has threatened legal action, said: "I presented them with three deals. All of them fell over.

    "We were led to believe that all we had to do was find the deals and there would be buyers to take them on, but it didn't work out that way at all."
    Despite the catalogue of complaints, Blue Peak flatly denies any problem. In a statement to the Star-Times from director Sean Levy, the company said: "The five-year programme has only been operating for six months and already Blue Peak is delivering real results with an operational system that has completed numerous transactions around New Zealand for both customers and licensees."

    Allegations from licensees were nonsense, said Levy. "The first phase of the marketing plan has also been rolled out with an investment of hundreds of thousands of dollars including print and radio advertising, ongoing upgrades to the website www.bluepeak.co.nz, emails promoting deals sent to a large customer base on a weekly basis, first home-buyer evenings and consultations with potential clients being held around the country.

    "It is disappointing to us that a small number of individuals have chosen to breach their contracts with us by airing their concerns through the media as opposed to activating the proper channels.
    "We are at a loss to understand what they are basing their inaccurate claims on, but we do appreciate that with the downturn in the New Zealand economy it is possible that some licence holders have overcommitted themselves and might now be struggling to keep up with their licence fee payments."

    Selling the licences to property finders was part of a bigger plan for Jones.

    Instead of Richmastery finding properties to sell to its database of property investors, a method Jones saw as limiting the number of deals that could be done, he would get others to pay him to find properties for a new company, Blue Peak, which would then market them for sale.

    Better still, Blue Peak would find potential buyers, get them pre-approved for finance, and then the licensees would be given instructions to go out shopping for homes for them, a little like being sent off to the supermarket with someone else's wallet to shop on their behalf.

    "We are going to become the number one delivery system for property in New Zealand," Jones told potential licensees, many of whom had previously bought into Richmastery schemes.
    Under the Blue Peak system, licensees would source properties on the cheap from owners struggling to pay the mortgage and desperate for a sale. These would then be on-sold by Blue Peak at a profit.

    The licensees would get a $3000 finder's fee for each property, but what was more tantalising was the chance for gold and platinum licence-holders to make passive income, dubbed "loan book". This was to be created by lending most of that profit back to the buyer as a "deposit", with banks then lending them the rest.

    That ready-made deposit, Jones told licence-buyers, would create a market allowing those with little or no savings to buy homes. Jones said potential buyers would be told: "If we give you the deposit and the bank gives you the other 90% or 95%, you don't need any money."

    However, after two years the deposit would convert into a principal and interest loan to be paid back at 12% over the next eight years, creating passive income for licence holders.

    Jones told potential buyers: "Have we done our homework with the real estate agents and with the finance groups? Yes, we have. I'm comfortable with what we are doing because we have been very thorough before we have got to this point."

    But licensees say finance has not been forthcoming.

    Tracey Munns of Connect Mortgages, the mortgage broker who was supposed to find finance for Blue Peak deals, was unwilling and unable to do so. Another broker taken on by Blue Peak fared no better, say licensees.

    Munns would not comment, but mortgage broker Sue Tierney said banks were cautious about lending into deals that inflated transaction values.

    An investigation by the Star-Times in May revealed one Christchurch house being marketed by Blue Peak for $390,000 was also being marketed by real estate agency Simes for $45,000 less, with Simes insisting its was the true market value.

    Last week another Christchurch property Blue Peak was marketing for $250,000 on its website was also listed for $239,111 by Ray White.

    Tierney said borrowed deposits meant the type of deal Jones promised to licence holders would be seen by the banks as near 100% finance.

    ANZ told the Star-Times the type of loans involved in the Blue Peak structure were "extremely unlikely to fall within our current lending criteria".

    One licensee said it was virtually impossible to get 100% finance. "You have to have a university degree, earn $100,000, living in an urban area with an impeccable credit history."

    Licensee Ifa Humm, who says she just wants Jones to refund her $45,000, agreed: "They created something that could never work."

    Levy strenuously denies that finance is a problem. "Since Blue Peak's inception it has generated millions and millions of dollars of loan books with customers."

    The Star-Times asked Jones to put us in touch with licensees who had seen their deals go through, but he said that was not possible for reasons of confidentiality. Those claims of success may end up being tested by regulators, as several licensees contacted by the Star-Times said they were considering complaints to the Commerce Commission.

    Those who are demanding their money back include former business partners David Whitburn and Ammon Acarapi of Fuzo, who said they had cancelled their Blue Peak agreement because Blue Peak failed to live up to its side of the bargain. The pair are in dispute over unrelated business matters with Jones.
    Several of those we spoke to are talking about mobilising licensees into joint action.

    Others have just given their money up as lost and are using the lessons they learned from Blue Peak to go into business for themselves, although their contracts with Blue Peak limit them to trading no more than one property a month. Heke said: "I'm still looking for properties, but not for Blue Peak. I'm selling them myself."

    BLUE PEAK DEALS
    Here's how a typical deal would work A licensee finds a home they can buy for $275,000, perhaps from a family who have run into financial difficulties, but which a valuer is willing to rate as worth $320,000. An offer is made, conditional on Blue Peak being able to on-sell the property for $320,000 to a buyer without a deposit. Of the $45,000 price difference, $35,000 would be "given" back to the buyer as a deposit, initially as a zero interest loan with no repayments for two years, after which it becomes an eight-year principal and interest loan at 12%.

    In effect, Blue Peak is delaying taking some of the profits from the purchase and sale in order to create a deposit. The remaining $10,000 would be divided between the licensee, Blue Peak, and costs. The buyer funds the rest of the purchase price, $275,000, with a loan sourced by a mortgage broker organised by Blue Peak.

    When the "deposit" turns into a loan, the interest payments generate income for the licensee.
    Source: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartim...0059a6445.html
    Author: Rob Stock.
    Last edited by BusyLizzy; 03-08-2008, 10:21 AM. Reason: added some spacing between paragraphs for easier reading

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    Blue Peak.

    Still another licensee, who has threatened legal action, said: "I presented them with three deals. All of them fell over.
    "They created something that could never work."
    Several of those we spoke to are talking about mobilising licensees into joint action.
    . Those claims of success may end up being tested by regulators, as several licensees contacted by the Star-Times said they were considering complaints to the Commerce Commission.
    I wonder if Joint legal action may be the best course of action? The people might be able to join there resources for bigger impact. Or would they be better filing lots of complaints to The commerce commision?

    I would suggest if anybody else is in this situation to contact other BP people to form a group to discuss options.

    PS
    This reminds me of the Blue Chip saga. Blue Chip/ Blue Peak maybe it was a bad name choice or omen?

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    • #3
      The real story

      And in reply, from Phil's blog:

      It seems the tall poppy syndrome is alive and well in New Zealand with a newspaper running a one sided story fuelled by a few individuals, most of which have never asked to meet with me or even raised concerns with me. Apparently I'm supposed to be aware of individuals views that have not been discussed with me by reading their minds!

      So, here is the real story of Blue Peak success in Blue Peak Director Sean Levys own words:

      "Blue Peak Wealth Management offered a limited number of individuals the opportunity to become a licensed property finder starting in February this year for its existing nationwide network of 65,000 customers and expanding retail Business. Licensees have 5 years to complete just 3 forecast property transactions to repay their one off license fee in full and then have the opportunity of earning additional income on other transactions.

      The 5 year program has only been operating for six-months and already Blue Peak is delivering real results with an operational system that has completed numerous transactions around New Zealand for both customers and Licensees. In fact since Blue Peaks inception it has generated millions and millions of dollars of loan books with customers. The system is supported by a host of Mortgage brokers who are familiar with the Blue Peak system and have been providing preapproved Mortgages to empower customers to purchase Real Estate. Recently one Blue Peak office had 14 customers with preapproved finance and another office had 12 awaiting deals from licensees.

      Licensees receive 60 separate Business Coaching sessions over the 5 years from Blue Peak, these sessions alone are likely to exceed the value of any Licensee fees paid. This 5 year Coaching program is design to assist each Licensee to achieve a return on investment and generate additional profits. All Licensees were advised prior to purchasing a License to take independent legal and accounting advice and were given adequate time to complete this.

      Licensees are provided with a dispute resolution process in their License agreements so that they can air any concerns with the New Zealand Master Franchisee and to provide a formal channel for the improvement of the Blue Peak system to its originator. I am not aware of any Licenses that have activated this channel or sort to even meet with the Blue Peak Founder.

      The first phase of the marketing plan has also been rolled out with an investment of hundred of thousands of dollars which includes print and radio advertising, ongoing upgrades to the website www.bluepeak.co.nz, emails promoting deals is sent to a large customer base on a weekly basis, first home-buyer evenings and consultations with potential clients being held around the country.

      In the following months we will be adding to the 3 existing Licensee revenue streams another potential 3 or 4 streams of income, this is being completed at no additional charge to Licensees as part of our long term commitment to them.

      Blue Peak is a sound Business with a good model that I expect to trade profitably and serve customers and Licensees for many years to come."

      I am personally disappointed that a small group of individuals some of whom appear under significant personal financial pressure due to the downturn in New Zealand’s economic conditions, with ulterior motives and who cannot meet their financial commitments have breached their own License agreements with a company that is genuinely trying to assist them, in order to provide inaccurate, misinformed, false and misleading statements to the media. We do not see this as mature, professional, in the Interests of any parties or an effective or appropriate way to conduct a mature 5 year Business relationship.

      Blue Peak is committed to working with licensees and ensuring the needs of all parties are met, we have an excellent growing Business model that is forecast to provide our licensee partners with healthy returns over the following 5 years.
      "There's one way to find out if a man is honest-ask him. If he says 'yes,' you know he is a crook." Groucho Marx

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      • #4
        And also to quote Sue Lawrie from that other site:

        I can only speak for my region - Canterbury.
        I have 21 fully paid up Blue Peak licensees.
        We have been in operation since Jan / Feb of this year.
        During that time we have held fortnightly Home Buyer seminars, like all things a new model takes time to build momentum, however we are now seeing good results from these events and have a ever growing list of pre approved buyers for our licencess to find properties for.
        We have completed a number of successful deals, with some licencees having multiple successes.
        The finance for these deals has been straight forward.
        Our advertising campaign includes the following:
        Radio
        Newspaper
        Bus Advertising
        Banners on building / property sites
        Bandit signs around the city
        Footpath signs

        We hold weekly meetings for our licencees to assist them with the process and a monthly training / update session as well.
        We have had a Mortgage broker speak to the group and next month we are focusing on sales training.

        This is a 5 year opportunity and we are just 6 months into it. Whilst not all of our team have yet had personal success, they can be encouraged by the success of others in our team. This system works, we have confirmed deals to support that and a team of professional and enthusiastic licencees who understand that it takes time to build a new Business model.
        I have the utmost faith in the model and in the team of licencees we have in Canterbury - we had another deal confirm on Friday and another one likely to go through this coming week.

        Sue Laurie
        "There's one way to find out if a man is honest-ask him. If he says 'yes,' you know he is a crook." Groucho Marx

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        • #5
          Kinda interesting

          "He doth protest too much"??

          The 5 year program has only been operating for six-months and already Blue Peak is delivering real results with an operational system that has completed numerous transactions around New Zealand for both customers and Licensees. In fact since Blue Peaks inception it has generated millions and millions of dollars of loan books with customers. The system is supported by a host of Mortgage brokers who are familiar with the Blue Peak system and have been providing preapproved Mortgages to empower customers to purchase Real Estate. Recently one Blue Peak office had 14 customers with preapproved finance and another office had 12 awaiting deals from licensees.
          Phil has used the argument that the deals are confidential. That is true. There is however, an opportunity for Phil to provide examples of deals that have been completed, without saying where or who the deals were.

          It is interesting to note that the property companies who do/have done, the whole "RAH RAH RAH look at us we're fantastic, come join our circus" philosophy are now having great big problems (aka Blue Chip) and cracks are beginning to appear with BP/RM.

          It makes me wonder why Phil is selling his red hot Ferrari and de-bunking to USA if the business is doing great guns here in NZ

          If quality companies like AMP and Guardian Trust are having serious cashflow problems, do you think that BP/RM WON'T be affected.

          THE BUSINESS IS DOING FINE - YEAH RIGHT!!
          Patience is a virtue.

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          • #6
            Allegations from licensees were nonsense, said Levy. "The first phase of the marketing plan has also been rolled out with an investment of hundreds of thousands of dollars including print and radio advertising,
            The only advertising I have seen is from individual franchises, and Christchurch seems to be the only one I know of doing it. I would have expected to see more visible value for money from hundreds of thousands of dollars.

            I have only ever seen 2 bits of targeted advertising from Blue Peak and this is one of them.


            A packed Street in Christchurch.




            A property expo full to the seams.
            Last edited by whitt; 03-08-2008, 12:28 PM.

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            • #7
              This is another case of kicking the tall poppy, bitter poor people always like this.
              Bluepeak is only 6 months into 5 year programm, some people want money fast why not wait for big profits!
              Last edited by muppet; 03-08-2008, 12:44 PM. Reason: fix spelling mistakes

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              • #8
                Originally posted by orbital View Post
                This is another case of kicking the tall poppy, bitter poor people always like this.
                Bluepeak is only 6 months into 5 year programm, some people want money fast why not wait for big profits!
                And so the house of cards begins to fall, wait for the eye scratching to begin

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                • #9
                  Oh for goodness sake!!

                  Orbital, we know you can speak English well. Many of your posts have been articulate and with good grammar.

                  How about you contribute something meaningful to the forum, so that other forumites can have a decent discussion with you, instead of throwing in absurd silly comments.

                  It's not a case of Tall Poppy Syndrome, it's about BP/RM fronting up with decent facts or case studies that we can say WOW about. Many forumites on here don't actually give a fig about BP/RM, they're not that special business wise and the only thing that sets them apart is the interesting (and not in a good way) leadership.

                  What we want to see is ANY business providing proven business ideas and general examples. BP/RM seem very light in this department.

                  A myth is still a myth until it is proven to be a fact.
                  Patience is a virtue.

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                  • #10
                    Don't Feed the orbital.

                    This Blue Peak thing is important just as Blue Chip saga was. Lets not let RM stooges sidetrack the issue at heart.

                    FACT:
                    License holders were promised certain things and at this stage it appears they have failed to receive them.


                    P.S
                    And if people want to go on about Tall Poppies then they need to face reality and stop blaming others. Our society is to keen to label things. "I did not do it, it was the Tall Poppy syndrome", or " My kids is not naughty he just has ADHD" ( no offense to those that actually do have kids with it, it is only an example or figure of speech, I could quickly think of)
                    Last edited by whitt; 03-08-2008, 01:07 PM.

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                    • #11
                      It is about to get very ugly, the story has only begun in all of this.

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                      • #12
                        Sorry Whitt

                        I value good thought-provoking conversations, but unfortunately sometimes these are derailed by one or two posters.

                        You are right and I stand corrected. I won't feed the orbital again.
                        Patience is a virtue.

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                        • #13
                          What worked well in the Blue chip saga which may this time around was:

                          Any people involved or license holders post in this thread and possibly contact other holders.

                          The article in first post gives a few names of people who are also license holders in the same boat.

                          P.S
                          Olly came on board last time to assist. I am unsure on dollar amounts involved and if this is suitable this time around.

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                          • #14
                            "insane amounts of money"
                            Now, that is a good quote!
                            Erewhon is still erehwon, I don’t see it changing anytime soon.

                            http://exnzpat.blogspot.com/

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                            • #15
                              They are private company they do not have to show you anything, they do not owe you anything, stop thinking the world owes you something and you may become more sucessful.
                              Think win-win not lose-lose.

                              Constantly seeing the blue peak advertising car motivates many people to buy blue peak property, why begrudge them that?

                              Originally posted by essence View Post
                              Orbital, we know you can speak English well. Many of your posts have been articulate and with good grammar.

                              How about you contribute something meaningful to the forum, so that other forumites can have a decent discussion with you, instead of throwing in absurd silly comments.

                              It's not a case of Tall Poppy Syndrome, it's about BP/RM fronting up with decent facts or case studies that we can say WOW about. Many forumites on here don't actually give a fig about BP/RM, they're not that special business wise and the only thing that sets them apart is the interesting (and not in a good way) leadership.

                              What we want to see is ANY business providing proven business ideas and general examples. BP/RM seem very light in this department.

                              A myth is still a myth until it is proven to be a fact.
                              Last edited by orbital; 03-08-2008, 04:10 PM.

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