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    On $95,000 but still mortgage is out of reach
    5:00AM Saturday April 28, 2007
    By Anne Gibson

    Chris and Gaby Munro of Sunnynook on the North Shore earn a combined $95,000 a year. But it's not enough for a house.

    Throughout last year, they held out hope, but now they are resigned to renting for at least another year, despite being a high-earning, high-achieving couple.

    Theoretically, they and their two children should be far from the renting rut.

    Ten, even five years ago, the family would have been paying off a mortgage, settled into their own suburban place, safe as houses.

    But rising house prices have thwarted them.

    "I've had to stop myself looking at Property Press and spending all my evenings on the internet looking for houses," Gaby Munro admits.

    This week Property Investors Federation vice-president Andrew King scoffed at a report that said people earning $70,000 could not even afford to buy into the cheapest quarter of Auckland's market.

    He cited Glenfield, Panmure, Pukekohe and Te Atatu as areas where decent three-bedroom houses could be bought for $350,000 or under.

    Stop buying coffee, overseas travel and flash cars, Mr King advised would-be buyers.

    So an outraged Chris Munro emailed the Herald's website.

    "Typical comment from a property developer who hasn't actually crunched the numbers for the average family," he wrote.

    "If you're dual-income-no-kids, yes, you have no excuse. I have a family of four to feed. We just couldn't make the numbers work, considering the entry price on Auckland's North Shore is high $300,000s, even on the most depressing budgeting regime."

    Mr Munro had issued a challenge so we sat down with the family to find out who was right.

    Is Mr King out of touch? Are Chris and Gaby Munro expecting too much?

    Is a family earning way over double the national average of $44,495 a year now barred from the market?

    Mr Munro, 38, a graphics production manager who works in Parnell, and Mrs Munro, 38, a part-time fashion seller working on the Shore, could almost be classified as rich.

    Their combined gross of $95,000 leaves them $60,000 a year after tax, and they have saved $14,000.

    Even if they found a suitable $350,000 house near where they live, they would need to spend more than half their household income just to pay off a mortgage.

    Yet spending any more than a third is classified as being under housing stress.

    Borrowing $336,000 for 20 years to buy a $350,000 house, the BNZ's mortgage calculator says they would need to pay $1345 a fortnight on the loan, or $34,970 a year. Their annual rent is $18,200.

    Mr Munro said if they bought a house, they would need to budget about $40,000 a year, as a minimum of $5000 was needed for maintenance and repairs. But finding $40,000 a year is impossible even if the food budget is cut to $200 a week.

    Feeding a family of four, paying for childcare and school fees, finding enough for the petrol, clothing, electricity, phone and other living expenses - the family are just able to make ends meet paying the rent now.

    So they have resigned themselves to renting at $350 a week at least until daughter Evie, 4, starts school.

    "It's like banging your head against a brick wall," Mrs Munro said of many months spent house-hunting.

    Stuck is how they feel. It's hard for the parents to explain to Joel why the house he is growing up in is not home.


    Do they spend too much?

    It doesn't look like it. When we visit the Munro family on Anzac Day, daughter Evie has a pink flower in her hair and pink butterfly wings, having just celebrated her fourth birthday.

    Balloons decorate the lounge-room floor and the remains of the butterfly birthday cake with its chocolate icing and confectionary are in the dining area.

    The furniture is humble: an aged TV. The last overseas trip was "before children".

    There's nothing flash about this place. No Sky TV. No one smokes. Gaby Munro had to let her gym membership lapse. Chris Munro needs to get a tooth capped but can't afford it. Gaby has not seen a dentist in four years and is fearing the worst.

    They share one car worth about $3000. They have a cellphone, shared and only for emergencies.

    She shouts herself two coffees a week. He has none - and he takes his lunch to work and gets the bus.

    They have rented the same neat-as-a-pin Sunnynook house for four years, having struck an agreement with friends who are the owners.

    "Four years ago, this place was worth $279,000. Now it's worth more than $400,000," said a dispirited Gaby from the driveway.


    Are they being too fussy?

    This was the view of many talkback callers and letter-writers this week, summed up by the challenge from Property Investors' Federation vice-president Andrew King, who cited four Auckland suburbs where people on $70,000 a year could afford to buy a $350,000 house.

    So we showed the Munros houses from these areas in this price range - but they had reasons for turning them all down.

    * Glenfield: Would buy there, but no stock available. One $369,000 flat in Simon Ellice Dr is rejected because there is no outdoor playing area for the children.

    * Te Atatu: Not an area they know or want to live in. Rejected all properties, including a $349,000 home.

    * Pukekohe: Looked around Weymouth but found nothing in their price range. Rejected a Pukekohe house for $329,000 because of location.

    * Panmure: Too far from work, school, church and their community. Spurned $350,000 houses.

    The family have searched a wide North Shore area, including Sunnynook, Glenfield and Beach Haven. Son Joel goes to Westminster Christian School at Albany, so staying in the area is a high priority.

    "We looked anywhere on the North Shore," said Mrs Munro.

    What's wrong with other parts of Auckland? Mrs Munro relies on friends for support when the children are ill.

    This enables her to work and earn money. If they moved to say Te Atatu, Joel would have to shift schools, Evie would have to change a settled child care and ballet class arrangement and the family would be too far from their church, friends and support network.

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  • #2
    Wow, so the poor couple can't afford a property on the North shore... How shocking. There are significantly cheaper places to buy houses, if they really wanted a house they could get one else where.

    Ignoring the question of whether they should consider moving from $350 a week rent to a more expensive property, there are some issues with the reporting...

    Why would they get a 20 year mortgage? Why not 25 years? That would make it easier, but the figures would be less worrisome...

    yes, prices are high. But the people who should be complaining about this aren't these people. These people have a choice, many other people don't.
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    • #3
      Some might find these articles interesting.

      SYDNEY'S HOUSING DISASTER, Part 1
      http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/ed...2007/0420.html


      SYDNEY'S HOUSING DISASTER, Part 2
      http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/ed...2007/0426.html
      Find The Trend Whose Premise Is False - Then Bet Against It

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      • #4
        These people could get a mortgage of up to around $370k based on the information provided so they are either not looking as hard as they say or they are being too picky. Most people have to compromise to get ahead at some stage
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        • #5
          Te Atatu: Not an area they know or want to live in. Rejected all properties, including a $349,000 home.

          * Pukekohe: Looked around Weymouth but found nothing in their price range. Rejected a Pukekohe house for $329,000 because of location.

          * Panmure: Too far from work, school, church and their community. Spurned $350,000 houses.
          Looks like they being too picky to me! Sure it would be nice for them to stay in their area, but sometimes you cant have your cake and eat it too!

          We were renting in Thorndon (Wellington) at the time of our first purchase a few years ago. It would have been great to buy there and remain in Thorndon, we could walk to work etc etc, but we simply couldnt afford it.

          So we bought out in Paraparam where houses were in our price range, and made do - And what a good move it turned out to be as well!

          If they want to get into the housing market then they should wake up and realise that it is possible, and stop winging, or simply carry on renting and save a nice big deposit so that they can buy on the shore.
          No Regrets

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gatekeeper View Post
            Some might find these articles interesting.

            SYDNEY'S HOUSING DISASTER, Part 1



            SYDNEY'S HOUSING DISASTER, Part 2
            http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/ed...2007/0426.html

            I certainly did!
            Thanks GK.
            Probably didn't absorb all the info (I'm a bit thick) but it certainly spelt out clearly that we have a supply problem with housing.
            Which makes the 'property bubble crash' situation real interesting.
            How bad will the crash be if there's more people than houses?
            Or maybe there won't be a crash until there's more houses than people?
            Now, in all humility (as poormastery would say), I haven't heard anyone mention that possibility before.

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            • #7
              Great read Gatekeeper.

              Does anyone know what house/land values were in England 900 years ago and what wages were.

              Because of the worlds population growth it's probably going to stay like this with the odd correction here and there.
              Last edited by Tucker; 29-04-2007, 12:51 PM.
              Nigel Turner

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gatekeeper View Post
                Some might find these articles interesting.

                SYDNEY'S HOUSING DISASTER, Part 1



                SYDNEY'S HOUSING DISASTER, Part 2
                http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/ed...2007/0426.html

                Ok. Did it. Read the thing end to end (over a few sittings). It was bloody long but bloody well written so was easy for us non-economic types to understand.

                Just about every problem or argument I came up with while reading was addressed in some way. It still leaves lots of lingering questions and points in my mind, and some things I don't agree with, but it sure was an eye opener.

                Two paragraphs that really stood out to me were:

                Consider that many boomers bought their house when they were young. Now they buy investment property. Without the boomer, you would have a young family buy their own house and live in it. But now the boomer buys it as in investment and deprives the young family of following in his path. The boomer uses his higher income, home equity and tax advantages to outbid the young family. The boomer then allows the young family to rent the house from him. The govt gives a tax break to the boomer and makes it up by higher taxes on other taxpayers, which includes the young family.
                The older generation had long held a majority of votes, and in a democracy it has quite properly held power and got to decide via its politicians and their policies, how to treat the younger generation. We can see the choices they have made. In time the younger generation will become larger and take ascendancy. At that point the younger generation will decide how the old are treated as far as taxes and benefits are concerned.
                There's some pretty major long term implications in what's going on here that I never thought about before.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gerrard View Post
                  There's some pretty major long term implications in what's going on here that I never thought about before.
                  You mean like most of our politicians getting their
                  Uni education gratis, taxpayer funded, then, after
                  stuffing up the economy, telling subsequent generations
                  that they'll have to pay for what those feckless
                  stewards got for nothing?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Perry View Post
                    You mean like most of our politicians getting their
                    Uni education gratis, taxpayer funded, then, after
                    stuffing up the economy, telling subsequent generations
                    that they'll have to pay for what those feckless
                    stewards got for nothing?
                    Pretty much! I had considered that the governments over the years had generally done a good job given the constraints (even though they are all overly beaurecratic and waste so much time and money). But it just occurred none of them are about to change their game in a hurry because that would mean political suicide. All they are doing is protecting their jobs at the expense of the country!

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                    • #11
                      The govt over the last few years has ridden on the back of a strong economy....the same way that it is really easy to make money in property in a rising market, it appears that they have done a good job, when clearly they havent.

                      It is always easy to bitch and moan about the government, but we have ended up with a corrupt, deceitful, self motivated bunch of clowns, who as you say will stay in power at any expense!

                      Wait until a few months before the next election for the bribary to start kicking in.....tax cuts anyone??

                      Hows that for a Monday morning rant!
                      No Regrets

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                      • #12
                        Voting

                        Originally posted by No Regrets View Post
                        It is always easy to bitch and moan about the government, but we have ended up with a corrupt, deceitful, self motivated bunch of clowns, who as you say will stay in power at any expense!

                        Wait until a few months before the next election for the bribary to start kicking in.....tax cuts anyone??
                        As No Regrets says, watch out for the bribery to start. We all have the right to vote, it just needs to be utilised.
                        Patience is a virtue.

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                        • #13
                          When was the last time one of the Wellington Wallies was voted out?

                          Pretty hard to get rid of them with MMP.
                          The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates and a monthly salary - Fred Wilson.

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                          • #14
                            Surely this time people have realised that keeping them in again will be the worst thing possible for the country.....
                            No Regrets

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                            • #15
                              Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

                              Originally posted by No Regrets View Post
                              Surely this time people have realised that keeping them in again will be the worst thing possible for the country.....
                              What? You mean the sheople? Naahhh . . .
                              That's why bribes work, because the
                              sheople can't see the long term pain
                              inherent in the short term gain.

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