The next big rort to be exposed: Insulation subsidy

[Wayne]

get out of the wrong side of the bed today Wayne?

Maybe ....
Suffering fools badly today

[Don't believe the Hype]

maybe one less latte and stay away from mirrors

[Davo36]

Silly statement really - you'd do it once, it doesn't change.
But you knew that.

Until the rules change.... again.

[Wayne]

Until the rules change.... again.

True - but the implication from DBTH was that it needed filling in for every tenant change and that is untrue and overstating the impact.

[Davo36]

True - but the implication from DBTH was that it needed filling in for every tenant change and that is untrue and overstating the impact.

Yes, well people get a bit shitty about this sort of bureaucratic BS.

I've done mine now. Maybe 2 hours of my time to a) Find the specs on the plans, along with the signoff form from the council, and b) Get ahold of a sample statement (Thanks Bob and DBTH), fill it in and get it to the property manager.

And it was just to say the insulation that is there is fine.

And of course, owner-occupiers are still entirely left out of all of this.

[donna]

There's 100,000 homes that can not have insulation - and many are the lockwoods - we have one - a concrete base and cathedral ceilings. So there's nothing to be done about that.

cheers,

Donna

[SimonW]

There's 100,000 homes that can not have insulation - and many are the lockwoods - we have one - a concrete base and cathedral ceilings. So there's nothing to be done about that.

cheers,

Donna

Yes I have a unit that has a concrete floor, concrete block walls and concrete stippled ceiling (with another unit above). There is not much I can do about that one at all. I could probably install a false ceiling and then pump in dry blown insulation but with all other surfaces being concrete I am not sure it would make that much difference.

I have another unit in a different building which is on the first floor, with allocated car parking for multiple units directly underneath. While the underside of that concrete floor is technically accessible, the jury is out on whether I can install foam type insulation there. From a legal standpoint, the owners of those parking spaces also own the 'ceiling' above their spaces (the underside of my floor). Investigations continue on that one....

[Bob Kane]

I wouldn't have thought the insulation regs would have applied to a multi-story unit complex.
Just fill out the form saying you can't insulate below or above your unit and file it away.
Job done.

[Perry]

Move Over P Testing People

Insulation contractor 'deceived' clients with uncompleted jobs
23 July 2018

A Nelson insulation installer "deceived" clients by only putting insulation around roof hatches where clients would see it.

[SimonW]

And then there's this:

Christchurch council said it couldn't insulate its flat - so Lynda McKenzie got it done herself

This is after the fiasco where the CCC installed those eco panel heaters in lieu of heating that actually works. All so they could spend a million dollars on a tv screen for the library instead.

[Meehole]

We did some work on an HNZ property in Helensville (Akld) whereby the heat pump was removed and eco panel heaters were installed instead. From a builders perspective I would be interested to know how they insulated the ceiling cavity when it was raking ceiling, did they blow in insulfluff and how effective would it be? What about the walls and the uninsulated concrete floor?

[Wayne]

From a builders perspective I would be interested to know how they insulated the ceiling cavity when it was raking ceiling, did they blow in insulfluff and how effective would it be? What about the walls and the uninsulated concrete floor?

I get the impression that it wasn't a raked ceiling - just a very low one.
I'm picking, from the photo, that the roof is sloped but the ceiling is flat. Given there isn't much room I suspect they never installed a access hatch.
All a guess - I have no extra info other than what is in the article.

[Meehole]

We have a raked ceiling in our place with a flat ceiling, 9 degree pitch and insulated the ceiling when we renovated. However had to regib the ceiling and reroof so squeezed it in then. Trick is to not have the insulation touch the bottom of the roof as it creates condensation. If the area is tight this will happen. We installed a ceiling hatch in the highest part located in a wardrobe, but you would need to remove the entire contents (including the shelving) to access it.

[Wayne]

We have a raked ceiling in our place with a flat ceiling, 9 degree pitch and insulated the ceiling when we renovated. However had to regib the ceiling and reroof so squeezed it in then. Trick is to not have the insulation touch the bottom of the roof as it creates condensation. If the area is tight this will happen. We installed a ceiling hatch in the highest part located in a wardrobe, but you would need to remove the entire contents (including the shelving) to access it.

Maybe that is why the 'professional' the council got decided that it was impractical - the method the 'other' person used may have compromised the installation without them being aware (touching the roof, filling the gap between the top plate and the roof etc).
The council hasn't investigated this as of article time (needed 2 days notice to visit etc).

[nano]

This is an interesting thread. We soon will get to learn whether one of our properties have floor insulation. A few years ago, I arranged insulation for our rental property and got a quote and the work was done. But, the company auditor/supervisor? checked it and found that the floor insulation was not done and asked me why it was not done. I was surprised. I told him that I was told that it was concrete floor so could not be done. He said it was not concrete floor and would arrange the floor insulation. The man who did the job initially rang and apologised that he had to go to his son's hospital and was in a hurry, so he did not have time to measure! So, the floor insulation was arranged separately. I just asked to my tenant whether they came and worked. She said they came. So, I thought it was done. We have renovated the kitchen last year. Just a couple of days ago, I learned that there was no kitchen floor insulation! That means there is no floor insulation at all or just partly? Just no insulation under the kitchen? I don't know yet, but will have it check soon. The company does not exist anymore.