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    Associated Persons Update – July 2008

    From Matthew Gilligan, Gilligan Rowe & Associates Ltd

    The long awaited next step in the IRD’s review of the Associated Persons Provisions arrived last week with the tabling of the Taxation (International Taxation, Life Insurance, and Remedial Matters) Bill.

    As you may recall, in May 2007 the IRD released a discussion document which proposed substantial changes to the Associated Persons Provisions. Changes to the association rules in relation to the taxation of land transactions was particularly in focus. These proposals generated an unusually large amount of feedback and as a result the draft legislation that was expected to be issued in November 2007 has not surfaced until now.

    Despite what we understand to have been a large amount of opposition to the breadth of the proposals, the Bill that has been tabled is only a slightly watered down version of the proposed rules. In releasing the Bill the IRD have again made it clear that they consider that there are major weaknesses in the existing associated person’s definitions for the taxation of land transactions and as a result the Bill focuses heavily on widening the rules in relation to association between:

    § Two companies.
    § Trusts and settlors and / or appointors.
    § Two Trusts.

    Whilst the rules of association between Trusts and Companies are proposed to be significantly strengthened perhaps of even greater consequence is the inclusion of a tripartite test.

    A tripartite test is something of a “daisy chaining” test which sees two parties who are not directly associated under the rules being deemed to be associated if they are associated to a common party in the middle. In other words parties A and C might not be directly associated under the rules (including the new extensive rules in relation to Trusts and companies), but then end up being deemed to be associated because both of them are associated to a common party being party B. The tripartite test has long been used in the context of GST and represents an extremely wide reaching test of association.

    In summary, the key points to note at this time are:

    § For the time being the existing association rules apply. Therefore if you have taken care to structure yourself so that new acquisitions of property are not tainted, then new acquisitions will continue to not be tainted until these new rules come into force.

    § The new rules are projected to come into force on 1 April 2009. This means that properties acquired prior to this date will not be tainted if association happens to exist after this date. Although care should be taken if you are in the business of erecting buildings as the timing of association under this test is different to dealers or developers.

    § This is still not finalised legislation. The Bill is only at first reading stage which means that it still has to go through a select committee and house debate. Naturally we will be monitoring its progress and update you as appropriate.

    § The use of a Trading Trust is common for property dealing / development activities and it should be noted that this may still continue to be the case even when these new rules come into force. This is because Trusts have other benefits such as greater flexibility in distributing income and capital as well as flat tax rates of 33%. None of these benefits will be affected by the new rules.


    In summary the rule change will affect all dealers in land, property traders and builders who also intend to purchase investment property after 1.4.09. A three Trust structure is still appropriate once the rules come in, though you will be tainted from 1.4.09. The ten year rule saying if you keep a tainted property for ten years it looses its tainted status, is unchanged ( good news). Properties acquired prior to 1.4.09 are not affected by this rule change and will not be taxable if sold after that time, assuming you were correctly structured prior to 1.4.09 and broke tainting at time of acquisition.

    If you are planning to conduct both property dealing / development activity and buying investment properties in the future then you will need to seek further advice as the landscape is changing.

    Please contact us at Gilligan Rowe & Associates if you would like to discuss this further.
    Matthew Gilligan CA - E-mail Matt
    Chartered Accountant Specialising in Tax Structures, Property & Trusts
    Read my book: Tax Structures 101

  • #2
    Thanks for the update Matthew.
    The ten year rule saying if you keep a tainted property for ten years it looses its tainted status, is unchanged ( good news).
    I've heard of this before but no one has ever provided a reference for it? Can you tell us exactly where it comes from?
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    • #3
      The Income Tax Act. See post below for detail.
      Last edited by Matt Gilligan; 07-07-2008, 04:48 PM. Reason: Update it and add detail
      Matthew Gilligan CA - E-mail Matt
      Chartered Accountant Specialising in Tax Structures, Property & Trusts
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      • #4
        So Post 1/4/09 in a nutshell (for new investors)

        Still have Trading Trust for taxable buy and sell properties

        Rental Trust for Buy and Holds - But dont sell anything (ever) within 10 years.

        p.s. Or maybe I have missed the point, If I think too hard my head starts spinning.

        p.s. Is it the property, you, or the entity buying that gets tainted ???

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        • #5
          You are correct in your statement. "Still have Trading Trust for taxable buy and sell properties. Rental Trust for Buy and Holds - But don’t sell anything (ever) within 10 years. "

          With the new rules coming in, everyone and everything associated to the Trusts ( including you, your spouse, your kids, any company or Trust affiliated to them, potentially their spouses and kids....will all be in trouble if they sell rental property within 10 years.

          Some of this is up for debate, but it is not looking good at this stage.
          It will be a real incentive to hold property for 10 years to break tainting.
          Matthew Gilligan CA - E-mail Matt
          Chartered Accountant Specialising in Tax Structures, Property & Trusts
          Read my book: Tax Structures 101

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          • #6
            The 10 Year Rule - Some Relevant Tax Legislation

            Originally posted by drelly View Post
            Thanks for the update Matthew.
            I've heard of this before but no one has ever provided a reference for it? Can you tell us exactly where it comes from?
            CB 9 DISPOSAL WITHIN 10 YEARS: LAND DEALING BUSINESS


            CB 9(1) INCOME
            An amount that a person derives from disposing of land is income of the person if—
            (a) they dispose of the land within 10 years of acquiring it; and
            (b) at the time they acquired the land, they carried on a business of dealing in land, whether or not the land was acquired for the purpose of the business.
            CB 9(2) INCOME: ASSOCIATED PERSON IN BUSINESS OF DEALING IN LAND
            An amount that a person ( person A) derives from disposing of land within 10 years of acquiring it is income of person A if a person ( person B) associated with them at the time the land was acquired carried on a business of dealing in land, whether or not—
            (a) person A carried on a business of dealing in land; or
            (b) the land was acquired for the purpose of person B's business.
            CB 9(3) EXCLUSIONS
            Subsections (1) and (2) are overridden by the exclusions for residential land in section CB 16 and for business premises in section CB 19.
            Defined in this Act: amount, associated person, business, dispose, income, land, year

            Compare: 2004 No 35 s CB 7
            CB 10 DISPOSAL WITHIN 10 YEARS: LAND DEVELOPMENT OR SUBDIVISION BUSINESS


            CB 10(1) INCOME
            An amount that a person derives from disposing of land is income of the person if—
            (a) they dispose of the land within 10 years of acquiring it; and
            (b) at the time they acquired the land, they carried on a business of developing land or dividing land into lots, whether or not the land was acquired for the purpose of the business.
            CB 10(2) INCOME: ASSOCIATED PERSON IN BUSINESS OF DEVELOPING OR SUBDIVIDING LAND
            An amount that a person ( person A) derives from disposing of land within 10 years of acquiring it is income of person A if a person ( person B) associated with them at the time the land was acquired carried on a business of developing land or dividing land into lots, whether or not—
            (a) person A carried on a business of developing land or dividing land into lots:
            (b) the land was acquired for the purpose of person B's business.
            CB 10(3) EXCLUSIONS
            Subsections (1) and (2) are overridden by the exclusions for residential land in section CB 16 and for business premises in section CB 19.


            Matthew Gilligan CA - E-mail Matt
            Chartered Accountant Specialising in Tax Structures, Property & Trusts
            Read my book: Tax Structures 101

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Matt Gilligan View Post
              You are correct in your statement. "Still have Trading Trust for taxable buy and sell properties. Rental Trust for Buy and Holds - But don’t sell anything (ever) within 10 years. "

              With the new rules coming in, everyone and everything associated to the Trusts ( including you, your spouse, your kids, any company or Trust affiliated to them, potentially their spouses and kids....will all be in trouble if they sell rental property within 10 years.

              Some of this is up for debate, but it is not looking good at this stage.
              It will be a real incentive to hold property for 10 years to break tainting.
              No more: "It doesnt meet my yield criteria so I am divesting myself of this asset to get a better return on my capital".

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              • #8
                10 Year Rule - last bit of relevant legislation

                Originally posted by Matt Gilligan View Post
                The Income Tax Act. See post below for detail.

                CB 11 DISPOSAL WITHIN 10 YEARS OF IMPROVEMENT: BUILDING BUSINESS


                CB 11(1) INCOME
                An amount that a person derives from disposing of land is income of the person if—
                (a) they dispose of the land within 10 years of completing improvements to it; and

                (b) at the time they began the improvements, they carried on a business of erecting buildings, whether or not the land was acquired for the purpose of the business.

                CB 11(2) INCOME: ASSOCIATED PERSON IN BUSINESS OF ERECTING BUILDINGS
                An amount that a person ( person A) derives from disposing of land within 10 years of completing improvements on it is income of person A if another person ( person B) associated with person A at the time the improvements were begun carried on a business of erecting buildings, whether or not—
                (a) person A carried on a business of erecting buildings; or

                (b) the land was acquired for the purpose of person B's business.

                CB 11(3) EXCLUSIONS
                Subsections (1) and (2) are overridden by the exclusions for residential land in section CB 16 and for business premises in section CB 19.
                Defined in this Act: amount, associated person, business, dispose, improvements, income, land, year

                Compare: 2004 No 35 s CB 9
                Matthew Gilligan CA - E-mail Matt
                Chartered Accountant Specialising in Tax Structures, Property & Trusts
                Read my book: Tax Structures 101

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                • #9
                  Not sure that ever worked !

                  Originally posted by Bluekiwi View Post
                  No more: "It doesn’t meet my yield criteria so I am divesting myself of this asset to get a better return on my capital".



                  Not sure that ever worked ! If you were tainted and sold within 10 years, you had to/currently have to pay the tax.

                  Change of intention is irrelevant if you are tainted, it is only relevant if you are not a tainted person, dealer, developer or builder, you buy a property with intention to hold and later sell due to change of circumstances, etc. In genuine cases IRD leave you alone for a change of intention, though they are aggressive in looking at what is a legitimate change of intention, as it seems a few kiwis have been changing their mind a lot and relying on this position a bit much in recent years.
                  Matthew Gilligan CA - E-mail Matt
                  Chartered Accountant Specialising in Tax Structures, Property & Trusts
                  Read my book: Tax Structures 101

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                  • #10
                    Hi Matthew

                    Would you like to indicate why you prefer the trading trust as the entity to buy rather than a trading company?

                    cheers

                    Terry

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                    • #11
                      Why use a Trust over a company in NZ if you trade property on revenue account

                      This is complex question, - why use a Trust over a company in NZ if you trade property on revenue account ( ie: you develop, trade, build, etc).

                      The issues you need to consider ( conjunctively) are as follows:

                      1. How do you keep all gains inside Trusts for asset protection; AND
                      2. How do you avoid tainting property ( buy to hold property); AND
                      3. How do you access losses at the same time; AND
                      4. What is the most tax efficient structure ( viz marginal rates and income splitting, etc).

                      Many advisors look only at one of these goals, or two of them at a time. This results in compromise on the client’s part. Many accountants do not care about asset protection and ignore it in their analysis. Many accountants ignore the need to access losses, because they do not think about the commercial outcome of property ownership, leading logically to losses being generated.

                      Turning to your question, I would not in all cases recommend a trading Trust (TT) over a Company (Co). However generally I find them to be effective when coupled with other Trusts, because they allow you to achieve points 1-4 above simultaneously (under current rules before the new changes come in.)

                      As a rule of thumb if you trade property in a company , then you back yourself into a position where distributions need to be taxed by the company at source. This taxed income ( or imputed income) leads to a situation where you cannot offset the income against losses from property held elsewhere ( in a Trust, LAQC or personally) and get a tax refund. This is because imputed income ( income from a NZ company) cannot generate tax refunds from the Co tax paid. If the company’s where held in a group ( common ownership), you would get the losses through various means including shareholders salary or group offset through shareholding being common), however the entities would taint each other. Potentially the lack of Trust would result in loss of asset protection as well.

                      In other words to offset tax losses from other property against imputed income, - you will find it impossible to do without causing the other company to become associated ( tainted) and the buy to hold properties taxable if sold within 10 years.

                      If you wish to buy and hold property and hold property on revenue account, and if you try all the permutations and combinations, you will find to achieve 1-4 above, two Trusts working in tandem is best.
                      Last edited by SuperDad; 07-07-2008, 09:07 PM. Reason: Tidied up formatting
                      Matthew Gilligan CA - E-mail Matt
                      Chartered Accountant Specialising in Tax Structures, Property & Trusts
                      Read my book: Tax Structures 101

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                      • #12
                        How long till you figure out a work around?

                        Why can a sharetrader hold shares on capital account but a property trader cant hold properties on capital account?

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                        • #13
                          Its annoying when you want to pay tax on trading and play by the rules.

                          Yet doing so could destroy any Property Investing carried out by people you know.

                          You can see why some people go feral and turn criminal.

                          Could be a bit of a property rush pre April 2009 and a mini-crash post 2009.

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                          • #14
                            No Such Thing As Share Tainting

                            Originally posted by CJ View Post
                            How long till you figure out a work around?

                            Why can a sharetrader hold shares on capital account but a property trader cant hold properties on capital account?

                            There are specific provisions of the income tax that provide for tainting between entities that own property and deal in property. ( OD8(4)) of the ITA is the old reference, new reference has same rules but can't remember it off the top.)

                            In summary property tainting is legislated. No such rules apply to shares, it comes down to stated intention and minutes of directors, etc.

                            Why ? I guess the returns from shares are so crap its not worth the legislation.
                            Last edited by SuperDad; 07-07-2008, 11:03 PM. Reason: Tidied up formatting
                            Matthew Gilligan CA - E-mail Matt
                            Chartered Accountant Specialising in Tax Structures, Property & Trusts
                            Read my book: Tax Structures 101

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                            • #15
                              Property Crash Off Assoc Persons Rule Change ?

                              Originally posted by Bluekiwi View Post

                              Could be a bit of a property rush pre April 2009 and a mini-crash post 2009.

                              No chance of these rule changes being a crash driver in my view. Hardly anyone as a percentage of the population trade property.

                              Traders and developers already pay tax on profits. Its only the buy and hold property that could become taxable if sold. In reality, just hold them 10 years and you are sorted.

                              If all the traders in NZ went broke in a day, I doubt anyone would notice. ( Apart from the traders and PT !) They just don't own enough property to influence the market.
                              Matthew Gilligan CA - E-mail Matt
                              Chartered Accountant Specialising in Tax Structures, Property & Trusts
                              Read my book: Tax Structures 101

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