Wonder how many after seeing this on the news now think they have a right to drive unlicensed?
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I think it was shocking policy by the Police.
They could be criticised as manipulating statistics i.e. bit too high in this area, stop making arrests/charges in that area...
Sooo... too many violent crimes in South Auckland this year? Start giving people warnings, or charge them with some other kind of offence to lower the violent offense stats... but is this policing?Squadly dinky do!
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Originally posted by Maccachic View PostIs it tho? How many un licensed people wouldn't pass a driving test and are therefore putting lives in danger?
But does the intevention actually change behaviour?
People are getting all uppity at the policy without knowing if is making a difference.
If is means that those drivers actually get a license then that is a good thing.
Because I am quite sure the fine they get otherwise won't help - they then can't afford the license for a start.
They add the fine to all the others and go WTF.
You need to break the cycle - fines continue it.
But does it work? Is it working?
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Wayne the criteria can NOT be simply whether it is working or not.
There has to be some sort of moral fairness about the whole issue.
Otherwise, to make an extreme argument to illustrate my point, you could shoot sll Maori drivers who don't have a license and then say you have a "100 percent resolution rate" i.e. no detected unlicensed Maori drivers still on the roads. But of course you can't do that - BECAUSE IT'S WRONG!
And it's wrong (not nearly as wrong of course but still wrong) to let them off with a warning! Don't you see this?Squadly dinky do!
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Originally posted by Davo36 View PostOtherwise, to make an extreme argument to illustrate my point, you could shoot all Maori drivers who don't have a license and then say you have a "100 percent resolution rate" i.e. no detected unlicensed Maori drivers still on the roads. But of course you can't do that - BECAUSE IT'S WRONG!
And it's wrong (not nearly as wrong of course but still wrong) to let them off with a warning! Don't you see this?
But I support shooting all unlicensed Chinese drivers. (Personally I hate Chinese people do dumb things in NZ, and lose Chinese face)
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Originally posted by Davo36 View PostWayne the criteria can NOT be simply whether it is working or not.
There has to be some sort of moral fairness about the whole issue.
Otherwise, to make an extreme argument to illustrate my point, you could shoot sll Maori drivers who don't have a license and then say you have a "100 percent resolution rate" i.e. no detected unlicensed Maori drivers still on the roads. But of course you can't do that - BECAUSE IT'S WRONG!
And it's wrong (not nearly as wrong of course but still wrong) to let them off with a warning! Don't you see this?
Maybe I have missed something.
I agree it would be wrong to just let them off with a warning.
But that isn't what they said they did - there was intervention.
They had to take courses (or something) and if they didn't they got the fine instead.
So it doesn't seem as simple as some are making it out to be.
NZ has many policies that treat a group or groups of people different from others.
It is discrimination but they say it is positive discrimination and that seems to be OK.
If not giving people fines meant they got a license then I'm all for it - but is it working?
My gut feel says that it probably isn't working but it is just that - a gut feel.
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I reckon a round of car crushing would ram the message home and people would then stop lending them vehicles to use as well. Perhaps a facility to pay small amounts leading up to the tests may help people who claim affordability issues altho pretty sure WINZ give hand-outs for licenses.
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Originally posted by Maccachic View PostI reckon a round of car crushing would ram the message home and people would then stop lending them vehicles to use as well.
Law are not meant to be broken without severe consequences.
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Originally posted by Gary Lin View PostI agree, we need harsher rules and penalties to make people listen.
Law are not meant to be broken without severe consequences.
Severe even - hopefully in proportion to the crime.
Somethimes the stick just isn't working - getting a bigger stick may be an option - and there is a need to look at other ways.
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Originally posted by Wayne View PostVery Old Testament of you.
Severe even - hopefully in proportion to the crime.
Somethimes the stick just isn't working - getting a bigger stick may be an option - and there is a need to look at other ways.
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