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seems maybe the proper biosecurity process hasn't been followed
Dr Cate Macinnis-Ng, a lecturer in biological sciences at Auckland
University, said the kauri was on a road in Titirangi riddled with kauri
dieback, but this tree had not been tested for the disease.
"A number of properties have confirmed cases of dieback.
"If this tree is healthy it's even more significant because it may have some resistance to the dieback disease."
She
said if the tree tested positive for the disease then strict
biosecurity processes would need to be undertaken through the felling
process to ensure the disease didn't spread.
It would also mean consequences around any removal or shifting of soil from the property.
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Further to my tongue in cheek post # 12.
Strangely I reckon this issue may hurt National a bit in the by election.
The butterfly effect and all that.
National are very public opinion poll driven...(skycity)
The public mood is against felling the tree I reckon.
National will , unfairly, cop blame...especially as the by election may affect future RMA legislation being passed.
National will see a gain simply by finding a way to overturn the consent.
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If it was me, I'd get the police to remove the protesters as they are trespassing on private property.
No doubt these are the same people who are wailing about the high price of houses.
Is it any wonder with all this expensive (for the developer) hoo-har going on.
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Originally posted by Leftette View PostApparently the quoted age is bollocks .
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Originally posted by speights boy View PostNational are very public opinion poll driven...(skycity)
The public mood is against felling the tree I reckon.
National will , unfairly, cop blame...especially as the by election may affect future RMA legislation being passed.
National will see a gain simply by finding a way to overturn the consent.
Kauri tree stoush catches Enviroment minister's eye
Smith said he was concerned at the Auckland Council's decision not to publicly notify the consent, but that decision was ultimately for them.
"It seems pretty extraordinary for me that removing a 300 or 400-odd year old kauri tree is seen as only being a minor effect.
"I think the number of protesters indicates that there is significant community interest, but ultimately that is a decision for the Council."
"Well I encouraged the mayor and said, look, there is significant concern, the Government's spending $25 million on trying to protect kauri trees.
"Our preference would be if a way could be found to save this tree, but the regulatory tools rest with the Council."
"It was a constructive meeting with the mayor - I expressed to him some of the concerns people have over the loss of this kauri tree. He indicated to me that he wanted to get back to Auckland and look at the options.
"They might have to revise their position."
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One of the conditions is the land needs to be bought by someone so the landowners get their compensation - I wonder if this will happen? That chap may be up the tree for quite a while longer I suspect.
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This is the open letter from NBR;
Their open letter in full:"This is an open letter to the people of Auckland from myself John Lenihan and my wife Jane Greensmith, as today is our 20th wedding anniversary. Over these 20 years Jane and I have practiced as Architects who live and work in Auckland.I say shame on those who jumped on this emotional bandwagon and persecuted these good people and that includes most posters on this site! This is a sad day for commonsense and the law.
We have only ever built 2 houses for ourselves both in Titirangi.
The first house the year we got married, and I became a partner in RCG Ltd where I still work today. The second house we built 15 years ago and is the house our kids have grown up in. Both houses were on challenging sites, but as Jane's Dad who was an Architect too, used to say "those are architect's sites- difficult, complicated,fun and full of potential!"
As Architects we work in a city that we believe is under stress, as there is significant population growth. This is mostly from people like us having kids and because it is a great city.
But Auckland is under huge stress- it needs homes for extra people, and it needs affordable homes, and it needs homes of all types everywhere. This means change and many people hate change, and this adds more stress.
We wanted to be part of changing all this in our own small but optimistic way, so along with helping our clients achieve this, we thought we would try and build again and be our own client. We came across 2 lovely sites on Paturoa Rd and again they were "Architects sites".
The rules for building in this part of Auckland and a lot of other areas are in our opinion very complex, often contradictory and from an outdated planning paradigm that gets added to in adhoc ways that just keep making things worse.
The process to follow in making and processing applications is also too complex, contradictory and adhoc.
There is very little certainty, so it is no wonder that Auckland is not building enough. Adding to this is the rapidly rising cost of land and building materials and you have the recipe for more stress. There are no easy answers to any of this, but we believe we all have to try. This what we teach our kids.
We believe that the situation that has occurred at Paturoa Rd Titirangi is the outcome of the stress Auckland is under and the systems and processes we are given to work under. We believe that there needs to be a financial return for undertaking building work. Banks require it when they give you a mortgage, they don't call it a profit they call it the banks "margin of risk". Building is very risky, difficult, time consuming and prohibitively expensive.
Jane & I did not make the rules but we have to work with them and follow the law.
If we don't, we lose the right to be Architects. We believe in law and order, but as Architects we also understand conflicting needs and different opinions, but to resolve these you need good systems and processes. We don't believe these are good enough in the present regulatory process. The Auckland Unitary Plan might be an opportunity to change this, but not by keeping those old systems and paradigms. Maybe we need to try some brand new things.
Over the past few days we have been overwhelmed with the agendas of Council, Politicians, Protesters, and so on. We were quite normally private people but now we have been dragged into being public figures. We don't have media training and crisis management skills and there are some who want us to take all the blame.
Our family, friends and colleagues and clients have been supporting us. So we have had to learn, adapt and change, because we are Architects and that's what Architects are trained to do.
However we don't want to play the games of others , games of blame, conflict, and abuse, instead we have been trying to come up with solutions where no-one loses everything but we all compromise, and is something new and hopeful that looks forward and not backward.
This is our Plan - Architects call it a design solution;
1. Let the trees stay including the Kauri which we have been calling 500, and the Rimu called 300. It doesn't matter how old they are as they now need to stay. Some other trees might have to go - this is the compromise bit, but let's keep it to a minimum. Trees grow faster than you all think.
Our wise elderly neighbor reckons the Kauri "500" is only 70 years old like him.
2. Let's turn these two sites from a place of conflict and division to a place of hope, a place to come together and plan a different future.
3. Let's be innovative and consider new processes and new rules and prototype these and make it part of the Unitary Plan Process.
4. Let's build on these sites as we need to keep property law intact and create homes. Our NZ is about family and community and nature. Can we try and have it all with small compromises?
5. Let's build affordable, sustainable homes and try and fit as many as we can on these sites so that it works economically, socially and environmentally.
If we throw out the current rules we could do something a lot better than where we had got to with these houses.
6. Let's take Jane and I out of the equation and give us fair compensation for our land and efforts to date as we have not broken the law and we need to encourage others to build and not be punished. Let's respect the laws we have and try to improve them in the future.
7. Let's allow Treescape and Vector, Iwi and Council to own the sites on the public's behalf and let's forgive them too. Give them a chance to try something new and create something better from this current mess. The compromise is they have to work together as a team and communicate quickly and professionally.
That's our Plan and this is what Architects do.
We make plans for the future.
We hope everyone can support this, because then it will be the best 20th wedding anniversary!"
ends................
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Originally posted by donna View PostOne of the conditions is the land needs to be bought by someone so the landowners get their compensation - I wonder if this will happen? That chap may be up the tree for quite a while longer I suspect. cheers, donna
Good open letter from the owners. I liked how they suggested Treescape, Vector, Iwi and Council to own the sites on the public's behalf. As eri might say - like that's going to happen. The next step will be very interesting.
If I were the owners, I would wait a reasonable amount of time -maybe 6 months - give notice if no sale has been agreed, and proceed with their existing consent. Possibly ringbark the trees quietly.
I do feel sorry for the owners. But note that Whaleoil is digging around and has already come up with additional information and more to come.
See today's General Debate. (Hey it's what they do! Somebody has to.)
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