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Steven Joyce is a politician so he would say that wouldn't he.
I don't recall the old system ever having these sorts of problems and my wife has been a teacher for a long time.
I was in the territorials and I would imagine their pay system is similar, each unit (one in every region and sub sets of that) is allocated so many days per rank, each soldier is excpected to do a minimum of 21 days - but they pick when they do them. When the units go over their allocation they have to apply for permission to get more.
Its the same pay system across the board and they handle: full time defence staff, civillan staff, deployments and all the allowences staff are entitled to which can vary depending on where the solider is training at the time.
Steven Joyce is a politician so he would say that wouldn't he.
I don't recall the old system ever having these sorts of problems and my wife has been a teacher for a long time.
Actually there were many, many problems with implementing the previous payroll system. It was often front page news at the time. Although the unions may not have been quite so vociferous then.
I remember it well. And one of the reasons is that I was implementing a large complex system at that time. The Chief Exec was very very clear and very specific about his expectation. " I do not want a teachers' payroll disaster." (He didn't get a disaster btw.)
Many, probably most, large systems are implemented without many issues or much fanfare. I have been associated with many, and none were disasters. Sure there are issues with Novopay. However, I await the technical report to see what an objective assessment has to say, rather than rely on anecdotes, at least some of which are politically motivated ....
Transpower have switched to Novopay without incident.
So Talent2 know what they're doing and Novopay is running like a charm.
Must have been just bad luck about the teachers, aye?
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Data and processes are more often to blame - not software. However Talent2 may have been guilty of under-estimating the complexity of the Teachers data and processes and not enough time spent in the analysis phase before transiting it over to Novopay. Seems to been resolved now though as we're not hearing about it in news aye.
Seems to been resolved now though as we're not hearing about it in news aye.
Far from it Donna. Well over a year since it started and there are still major problems with teachers pay. Our little school is one of the lucky ones as we have had the last 3 pay cycles absolutely correct. However there are still a number of out standing errors dating back months still to be resolved.
Only reason that you're not hearing about it any more is that the headline "teachers still not getting paid correctly" doesn't sell papers anymore.
Only reason that you're not hearing about it any more is that the headline "teachers still not getting paid correctly" doesn't sell papers anymore.
All the initial publicity whipped up by the teachers and the media was designed to embarrass the govt.
Turns out the problems are self-inflicted and all the publicity only resulted in Ministry heads rolling so it's all gone quiet.
One question remains: Do teachers really need the most complex payroll system in the world?
If so, why don't they fund it themselves?
As it's been pointed out to you time and again on this thread, the teachers didn't design their pay system the government gave it to them and then locked it all in the law. The government then decided to ask another provider to administer a system that the new supplier failed to understand.
As it's been pointed out to you time and again on this thread, the teachers didn't design their pay system the government gave it to them and then locked it all in the law. The government then decided to ask another provider to administer a system that the new supplier failed to understand.
More nonsense.
The teachers have negotiated their pay conditions.
Why they have chosen the most complex pay conditions in the world has never been explained.
No payroll supplier in the world can offer a ready-made solution.
The teachers could have easily simplified their pay conditions/requirements and then a regular payroll system could have been used.
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